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Well, colour me shocked!! Modern farming doesn't produce as nutritious fruit and vegetables as that of the past. (Where everything was organic, and the land w

Well, colour me shocked!! Modern farming doesn't produce as nutritious fruit and vegetables as that of the past. (Where everything was organic, and the land was managed sensibly.) Maybe we need to 'fortify' our veg, by adding calcium (chalk), and iron (fine iron filings) to it!

3131s 6y ago
Fortifying plants by adding B12 to the soil is known to work. We absolutely should look into it.
riffraff 6y ago
> Where everything was organic, and the land was managed sensibly my father, and everyone else in my home town, had his vegetable garden. It was not "organic growth", not even in the insane legal sense where giving bordeaux mixture[0] is considered organic farming. His stuff still tasted great, because it's not "inorganic" that make things tasteless, it's specific industrial production and distribution processes. [0] some toxic pollutant heavy metal compounds are 100% acceptable in organic farming, because they have been used for so long https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux_mixture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux_mixture
- feralimal 6y ago
  I agree. I actually don't think organic is as good as whatever natural methods were used. I would prefer wild or food grown on less 'managed' land - that would be the gold standard for me.
  - Melting_Harps 6y ago
    > I agree. I actually don't think organic is as good as whatever natural methods were used. I would prefer wild or food grown on less 'managed' land - that would be the gold standard for me. Then you'd starve on your golden standard, and probably revert to the 30 year life expectancy most of Humanity had prior to the advent of agriculture. Collectively as a Species I don't think there is a single thing, maybe making potable water widely available and vaccinations, that has contributed to the advent of Modern Society more than agriculture. Foraging maybe a cute thing for the silver spoon crowds made popular by the guys at Noma/Rene Redzepi (I personally met some of the creative Team when they ate at our restaurant last year) but not only would it never scale, but you'd be screwed for anything to eat for 3-5 months out of the year in most of the World. And with the impact of climate change I doubt you'd last very long. Organic isn't a panacea, its a re-framing of the relationship one has with their food and by extension ourselves as so many diseases are borne from what has been a literally toxic and hostile relationship. I hope we get to see an analysis of Global COVID deaths in relation to heart disease, diabetes as well as a study of them as contributors to those deaths considered COVID related.
    - feralimal 6y ago
      That's all a bit harsh! My gold standard is fair surely! I don't eat like that often, but I can dream! Agriculture is absolutely a boon to humanity. But that doesn't mean that I need to go along with big agra, does it? I don't agree with oil based fertilisers being used. And monocrops. It is absolutely the system we have, but its not a good one. Smaller farming, locally sourced food would be a better way to go. I am a fan of permaculture - I'm itching to try this when circumstances permit. This is a way of densely growing food.

3131s 6y ago

Fortifying plants by adding B12 to the soil is known to work. We absolutely should look into it.

riffraff 6y ago

> Where everything was organic, and the land was managed sensibly my father, and everyone else in my home town, had his vegetable garden. It was not "organic growth", not even in the insane legal sense where giving bordeaux mixture[0] is considered organic farming. His stuff still tasted great, because it's not "inorganic" that make things tasteless, it's specific industrial production and distribution processes. [0] some toxic pollutant heavy metal compounds are 100% acceptable in organic farming, because they have been used for so long https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux_mixture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux_mixture

feralimal 6y ago
I agree. I actually don't think organic is as good as whatever natural methods were used. I would prefer wild or food grown on less 'managed' land - that would be the gold standard for me.
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > I agree. I actually don't think organic is as good as whatever natural methods were used. I would prefer wild or food grown on less 'managed' land - that would be the gold standard for me. Then you'd starve on your golden standard, and probably revert to the 30 year life expectancy most of Humanity had prior to the advent of agriculture. Collectively as a Species I don't think there is a single thing, maybe making potable water widely available and vaccinations, that has contributed to the advent of Modern Society more than agriculture. Foraging maybe a cute thing for the silver spoon crowds made popular by the guys at Noma/Rene Redzepi (I personally met some of the creative Team when they ate at our restaurant last year) but not only would it never scale, but you'd be screwed for anything to eat for 3-5 months out of the year in most of the World. And with the impact of climate change I doubt you'd last very long. Organic isn't a panacea, its a re-framing of the relationship one has with their food and by extension ourselves as so many diseases are borne from what has been a literally toxic and hostile relationship. I hope we get to see an analysis of Global COVID deaths in relation to heart disease, diabetes as well as a study of them as contributors to those deaths considered COVID related.
  - feralimal 6y ago
    That's all a bit harsh! My gold standard is fair surely! I don't eat like that often, but I can dream! Agriculture is absolutely a boon to humanity. But that doesn't mean that I need to go along with big agra, does it? I don't agree with oil based fertilisers being used. And monocrops. It is absolutely the system we have, but its not a good one. Smaller farming, locally sourced food would be a better way to go. I am a fan of permaculture - I'm itching to try this when circumstances permit. This is a way of densely growing food.