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> The people who argue that Apple should be forced to allow third party stores are only interested in the potential commercial gain they could make if they had

> The people who argue that Apple should be forced to allow third party stores are only interested in the potential commercial gain they could make if they had access to Apple’s customers. > They just want access to the customers so they can make money out of them. > That is all this argument is about and all it has ever been about. And this is not an accurate representation of reality. I have zero professional or financial connection to software development, but I still want Apple to allow third-party stores or at least third-party installs so I can do the things on my phone that I want to that Apple says no to. I want to play games on an emulator, I want to stream video games (e.g. xCloud) without downloading individual wrapper apps for each game or attempting to play through Safari, I want to use proper browser engines other than Safari and hopefully have proper uncrippled PWA support, I want to run interpreters/compilers/shells like iSH, I want to play adult games, etc. What I find even more abhorrent is the notion that because you bought an Apple product that you belong solely to Apple when it comes to anything in regards to that device. I'm a consumer/customer period, not Apple's customer. I bought the phone because of the hardware quality and that should be the end of the transaction.

zepto 6y ago
You can do anything you want to with your own phone. The law allows you to hack on it in any way you like. What you are saying is that you don’t have the capacity to make the phone do what you want. You want Apple to do that work, and you want the government to force them to do it for you. That is not the same thing. You didn’t have to buy it if it didn’t do what you wanted. Are you claiming you didn’t know it was locked down before you bought it?
- nvrspyx 6y ago
  No. The work has already been done for all those things I want, I just can't utilize any of it. I don't want Apple to do anything other than allow me to install apps outside of the App Store and without the bullshit 7-day restriction on sideloading. I know what I bought and iPhones are still the best option for my use case despite the limitations. Just because I decided to purchase an iPhone from the limited options (Android or nothing), doesn't mean I have to be head-over-heels in love with it and I can still be unhappy with certain aspects of it. I can still desire improvements to what I consider the best available option. You can continue to try to do mental gymnastics and twist the contexts here, but you're bending over backwards to let Apple bend you over. What's even more frustratingly absurd is that you think that you can "hack" your iPhone without going through Apple. The only way to do that is purchasing a Mac for around $1k and to get over the previously mentioned bullshit 7-day restriction is a $99/yr developer account.
  - zepto 6y ago
    You can hack your phone by jailbreaking without paying anything to Apple. I don’t have any problem with you being unhappy with Apple for not building what you want. The iPhone is pretty far from what I want too. What I dispute is that they should be forced to build something for you, or that there is any ‘should’ about this. I want an open device too, and would prefer such a device to the iPhone, however I don’t want Apple to be forced to make one for me. There are no gymnastics going on here. Apple’s software is not designed to make it easy for you to customize the way you would like. Nobody disputes that. What I dispute is the use of the government to force them to change their designs, especially since we have alternatives to choose from and can contribute to them if we so desire.

zepto 6y ago

You can do anything you want to with your own phone. The law allows you to hack on it in any way you like. What you are saying is that you don’t have the capacity to make the phone do what you want. You want Apple to do that work, and you want the government to force them to do it for you. That is not the same thing. You didn’t have to buy it if it didn’t do what you wanted. Are you claiming you didn’t know it was locked down before you bought it?

nvrspyx 6y ago
No. The work has already been done for all those things I want, I just can't utilize any of it. I don't want Apple to do anything other than allow me to install apps outside of the App Store and without the bullshit 7-day restriction on sideloading. I know what I bought and iPhones are still the best option for my use case despite the limitations. Just because I decided to purchase an iPhone from the limited options (Android or nothing), doesn't mean I have to be head-over-heels in love with it and I can still be unhappy with certain aspects of it. I can still desire improvements to what I consider the best available option. You can continue to try to do mental gymnastics and twist the contexts here, but you're bending over backwards to let Apple bend you over. What's even more frustratingly absurd is that you think that you can "hack" your iPhone without going through Apple. The only way to do that is purchasing a Mac for around $1k and to get over the previously mentioned bullshit 7-day restriction is a $99/yr developer account.
- zepto 6y ago
  You can hack your phone by jailbreaking without paying anything to Apple. I don’t have any problem with you being unhappy with Apple for not building what you want. The iPhone is pretty far from what I want too. What I dispute is that they should be forced to build something for you, or that there is any ‘should’ about this. I want an open device too, and would prefer such a device to the iPhone, however I don’t want Apple to be forced to make one for me. There are no gymnastics going on here. Apple’s software is not designed to make it easy for you to customize the way you would like. Nobody disputes that. What I dispute is the use of the government to force them to change their designs, especially since we have alternatives to choose from and can contribute to them if we so desire.