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Personally I believe it’s about individualism vs the collective. Here in Sweden we’ve seen a horrible development regarding gun violence - easy to chalk up to

Personally I believe it’s about individualism vs the collective. Here in Sweden we’ve seen a horrible development regarding gun violence - easy to chalk up to “immigration” and “soft laws” but in my mind it’s a lot deeper - interesting enough this is at the same time we have a record amount of dollar millionaires in the country. We used to work as a collective but our economic policies are turning more and more neoliberal and thus individual. This exacerbates the issue of creating a new “class” of citizens already left partly out of the loop of riches. If we take care of each other in a better way as a collective there’s a chance to turn things around. It’s all about increasing the chance of a good outcome per individual. This is the secret to a lot of the success in northern Europe - if you’re born here chances are great that you’ll get an education and that you live a long and healthy life. Regarding crime and violence specifically I’ve read a lot about the “group violence intervention” program and a lot of it is about cooperation and taking care of people in a humane way. Here’s David Kennedy speaking in Sweden where this has been worked successfully: https://youtu.be/wu00H7eeWVM https://youtu.be/wu00H7eeWVM In short - don’t be to afraid of taxes, and vote in a manner where money can be spent more wisely. Funneling tax money to havens by way of “entrepreneurs” seems less well spent... problem is that when such a system is set it will want to be conserved - looking at the US and it’s kinda dark over here as well. All I can do is try to mold my children into caring human beings hoping to influence culture that way.

depressedpanda 6y ago
Just to make sure I understand you correctly: You think the strong trend toward more incidents of more extreme violence in Swedish society is because we have more dollar millionaires?
- bildung 6y ago
  Income inequality universally is a pretty good predictor for violent crime: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star... As the (still very low) income inequality is rising in Sweden(https://nordregio.org/nordregio-magazine/issues/state-of-the-nordic-region-2020/sweden-inequality-in-sweden-grows-much-faster-than-in-the-nordics-overall/ https://nordregio.org/nordregio-magazine/issues/state-of-the...), it isn't surprising violence rises, too.
- jordanbeiber 6y ago
  More dollar millionaires, and at the same time more people on the outside, point towards specific type of policies being enacted. This has been 30-40 years in the making. Yes - it is related, just as it is in the US.
lenkite 6y ago
Isn't the majority of crime in Sweden committed by migrants ? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-019-00436-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-019-00436-8
- jordanbeiber 6y ago
  Yes, exactly kind of my point. I’m not suggesting however that because they are immigrants they commit more crime. Note most violence is committed by 2nd generation immigrants - so they’ve been born here. How’s that for a failure of society... They are simply people on the outside living surrounded by people leading lives they cannot relate to. We’ve made it terribly difficult to attain this norm life as well making it even more unrelatable.
  - NoImmatureAdHom 6y ago
    One thing that's great for societal stability is not too much inequality of wealth. Another thing is cultural homogeneity. We're probably seeing both at play in Sweden.
    - jordanbeiber 6y ago
      Young men shooting at each other in the street sure is a culture clash. This culture need to be canceled!
- bildung 6y ago
  It appears this study shows that the majority of suspects for crimes are immigrants, which is an important distinction. I have no knowledge about the situation in Sweden, but in Germany there are known statistical problems like immigrants both having a higher chance of becoming suspects ("Tatverdachteffekt") and crimes where an immigrant is suspected are more likely to be reported ("Anzeigeeffekt"). Stastistics about suspects are most commonly used in studies like these because the police, due to the seperation of powers, usually has no or at least less statistics of the actual results of charges.

depressedpanda 6y ago

Just to make sure I understand you correctly: You think the strong trend toward more incidents of more extreme violence in Swedish society is because we have more dollar millionaires?

bildung 6y ago
Income inequality universally is a pretty good predictor for violent crime: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-stark-relationship-between-income-inequality-and-crime https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star... As the (still very low) income inequality is rising in Sweden(https://nordregio.org/nordregio-magazine/issues/state-of-the-nordic-region-2020/sweden-inequality-in-sweden-grows-much-faster-than-in-the-nordics-overall/ https://nordregio.org/nordregio-magazine/issues/state-of-the...), it isn't surprising violence rises, too.
jordanbeiber 6y ago
More dollar millionaires, and at the same time more people on the outside, point towards specific type of policies being enacted. This has been 30-40 years in the making. Yes - it is related, just as it is in the US.

lenkite 6y ago

Isn't the majority of crime in Sweden committed by migrants ? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-019-00436-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-019-00436-8

jordanbeiber 6y ago
Yes, exactly kind of my point. I’m not suggesting however that because they are immigrants they commit more crime. Note most violence is committed by 2nd generation immigrants - so they’ve been born here. How’s that for a failure of society... They are simply people on the outside living surrounded by people leading lives they cannot relate to. We’ve made it terribly difficult to attain this norm life as well making it even more unrelatable.
- NoImmatureAdHom 6y ago
  One thing that's great for societal stability is not too much inequality of wealth. Another thing is cultural homogeneity. We're probably seeing both at play in Sweden.
  - jordanbeiber 6y ago
    Young men shooting at each other in the street sure is a culture clash. This culture need to be canceled!
bildung 6y ago
It appears this study shows that the majority of suspects for crimes are immigrants, which is an important distinction. I have no knowledge about the situation in Sweden, but in Germany there are known statistical problems like immigrants both having a higher chance of becoming suspects ("Tatverdachteffekt") and crimes where an immigrant is suspected are more likely to be reported ("Anzeigeeffekt"). Stastistics about suspects are most commonly used in studies like these because the police, due to the seperation of powers, usually has no or at least less statistics of the actual results of charges.