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by throwaway3846 6y ago
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> > Some cheating leaves barely a shadow of evidence. In other cases, the evidence is massive. Consider what happened one spring evening at midnight in 1987: seven million American children suddenly disappeared. The worst kidnapping wave in history? Hardly. It was the night of April 15, and the Internal Revenue Service had just changed a rule. Instead of merely listing each dependent child, tax filers were now required to provide a Social Security number for each child. Suddenly, seven million children — children who had existed only as phantom exemptions on the previous year’s 1040 forms — vanished, representing about one in ten of all dependent children in the United States.
> The “seven million” figure appears to be accurate, as noted in a December 2000 National Tax Journal article by Jeffrey B. Liebman that drew its data from a 1990 Internal Revenue Service conference report:
The same people claiming there is minimal voter fraud on the basis of the relatively few in number convictions for voter fraud probably would have also claimed in 1986, before the IRS rule change, that there was minimal IRS dependent tax credit fraud.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence unless you make a sufficiently thorough effort to actually collect the evidence (i.e., to detect voter fraud).
- Buttons840 6y agoThis reminded me of a hypothetical situation I thought of. There's a town of 1,000 people. They have an election. One person wins by 100 votes. It is later found and proven that 99 of the votes for the winner were fraudulent. Who should win then? Who should be elected? Clearly a lot of fraud went one way. If we look at it probabilistically, then the other candidate (the one who didn't benefit from fraud) should win, because most likely there were other votes that were also fraudulent. And yet, by electing the other candidate, you are ignoring a couple votes that were never proven to be fraudulent, which begs the question: exactly whose votes were thrown away and what is the justification for throwing them away?
- altacc 6y agoThat seems like a false equivalence as perhaps the requirement to add a SSN for children was precisely because there was evidence of the fraud. In US elections there are fraud monitoring systems in place and there's a lot more anti-fraud and ballot checking processes than using an honor system to count your dependents on a tax form. In general, especially legally, evidence is required to prove the merit of a claim, not to refute a claim. Proving a negative is often impossible, impractical or oppressive.