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Amazing how Facebook is killing the most capable VR hardware on the market. After reading things like this, who would want to gamble on an Oculus headset?

m463 6y ago
Obviously they don't think they're doing that. In fact they might be "firing the customers" who might not be monetizable anyhow. People buy sony and microsoft game consoles every day with the same sort of onerous shenanigans.
- pochamago 6y ago
  I think Facebook's are objectively more onerous here. Creating another account violates their ToS. You can't buy physical copies of games for their headset. You can't play any of the games you purchased, even in an offline mode, if your account is deleted. You must tie your account to your real identity. It just all seems excessive
  - ddingus 6y ago
    I think so too. And I dislike FB, which has biased me away from VR. My natural inclinations trend toward AR too. To be perfectly fair, it being excessive may be warranted somehow. VR is super immersive. And trends toward a disconnect with reality. Now both are the point of it all, and I am not saying that's bad. I am saying it can be. Maybe a high degree of personally identifiable use is warranted somehow. Just thinking out loud. What I do know is I don't need any of it and am happy for things to play out some.
  - jmiskovic 6y ago
    The one-account-only rule is horible treatment of users. What's wrong with having multiple online persona's? Using them avoids the conflicting roles of being a career professional, a parent and also politically active. With multiple account the FB could still mine your data and show personalized ads. Still they insist on single account backed with real ID. This shows some deeply ingrained totalitarian ambitions. Luckily I still have my Oculus account so I can still enjoy Quest 1 without FB BS.
saberdancer 6y ago
Most consumers don't care. Mom buying a Quest for her son won't care. Neither will majority of younger players. This is a case of small but loud group of people standing up against it.
- modo_mario 6y ago
  Most don't but this endlessly being brought up in every comment section outside of supportive communities and then even there sometimes must hurt to some extent. That's a whole lot of people doing anti-marketing screaming "don't buy!" for years to come. Maybe it will not be enough to offset their gains and change course or see it as a mistake. But enough for it to matter still? Probably. Hell they might even spend time and money trying to salvage reputation even if they got gains hurting it in the same way that microsoft tries to paint itself as an ally of open source.
  - saberdancer 6y ago
    VR is a investment for the future for Facebook. It's likely that they are operating with losses at the moment, price point where they are offering Quest 2 is much lower than most other VR headsets. I am sure that the criticism is not helping at this moment, but it's unlikely that it will affect their bottom line in 5 or 10 years time.

m463 6y ago

Obviously they don't think they're doing that. In fact they might be "firing the customers" who might not be monetizable anyhow. People buy sony and microsoft game consoles every day with the same sort of onerous shenanigans.

pochamago 6y ago
I think Facebook's are objectively more onerous here. Creating another account violates their ToS. You can't buy physical copies of games for their headset. You can't play any of the games you purchased, even in an offline mode, if your account is deleted. You must tie your account to your real identity. It just all seems excessive
- ddingus 6y ago
  I think so too. And I dislike FB, which has biased me away from VR. My natural inclinations trend toward AR too. To be perfectly fair, it being excessive may be warranted somehow. VR is super immersive. And trends toward a disconnect with reality. Now both are the point of it all, and I am not saying that's bad. I am saying it can be. Maybe a high degree of personally identifiable use is warranted somehow. Just thinking out loud. What I do know is I don't need any of it and am happy for things to play out some.
- jmiskovic 6y ago
  The one-account-only rule is horible treatment of users. What's wrong with having multiple online persona's? Using them avoids the conflicting roles of being a career professional, a parent and also politically active. With multiple account the FB could still mine your data and show personalized ads. Still they insist on single account backed with real ID. This shows some deeply ingrained totalitarian ambitions. Luckily I still have my Oculus account so I can still enjoy Quest 1 without FB BS.

saberdancer 6y ago

Most consumers don't care. Mom buying a Quest for her son won't care. Neither will majority of younger players. This is a case of small but loud group of people standing up against it.

modo_mario 6y ago
Most don't but this endlessly being brought up in every comment section outside of supportive communities and then even there sometimes must hurt to some extent. That's a whole lot of people doing anti-marketing screaming "don't buy!" for years to come. Maybe it will not be enough to offset their gains and change course or see it as a mistake. But enough for it to matter still? Probably. Hell they might even spend time and money trying to salvage reputation even if they got gains hurting it in the same way that microsoft tries to paint itself as an ally of open source.
- saberdancer 6y ago
  VR is a investment for the future for Facebook. It's likely that they are operating with losses at the moment, price point where they are offering Quest 2 is much lower than most other VR headsets. I am sure that the criticism is not helping at this moment, but it's unlikely that it will affect their bottom line in 5 or 10 years time.