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the company’s first fully-electric model to be introduced in 2025 The news is always [major car manufacturer] will have a huge range of EVs available in [3 to

the company’s first fully-electric model to be introduced in 2025 The news is always [major car manufacturer] will have a huge range of EVs available in [3 to 5 years - pick one]. I mean, good luck to them, but I'm weary after all the years of announcements and then not much actually happening on the ground. A few things are finally happening now, granted.

Animats 6y ago
Yes. Aug 04, 2020: "The electric Ford F-150 will possibly debut in 2021." Motor Trend: "2022 Ford F-150 Electric Pickup: What We Know So Far" Motor Trend: "2023 Ford F-150 Electric: What We Know So Far" The big news is that the price has jumped up to $70K - $100K. There is no excuse for that. Jeep is supposedly coming out with a plug-in hybrid Jeep Wrangler next month. Electric range is maybe 25 miles.
- toast0 6y ago
  > Jeep is supposedly coming out with a plug-in hybrid Jeep Wrangler next month. Electric range is maybe 25 miles. That's enough to get a carpool sticker, right?
- ineedasername 6y ago
  On the plus side, on that short of a range you only need to carry a few AA batteries with you for a quick top-up.
- x87678r 6y ago
  > Electric range is maybe 25 miles Average commute is 16 miles each way so is doable.
  - ineedasername 6y ago
    Depends on the type of commute. Are those 25 highway miles? If so, 16 miles of slow stop-and-go traffic could push the limit. Get stuck behind a car accident for an hour and it definitely would. Hybrid though, so you'd still have gas and wouldn't be stuck.
    - toast0 6y ago
      You've got it wrong for hybrids. Stop and go traffic is great for range. But if you can go highway speeds because there was an accident upstream of your entrance, you'll need to use gas to get home.
    - x87678r 6y ago
      Sure that's the point. Most of the time you can rely on electric, when something unusual happens or you're doing a road trip you use gas.
reader_mode 6y ago
I mean you could say the same thing about VW (surely a major car manufacturer) 3 years back but ID 3 is being mass produced now and has a clear backing from VW (eg. I see it advertised a decent amount). ID 4 is coming, VW group members will all offer EVs based on the same platform in following years. Electric cars are becoming a reality, charging networks are getting built, and most of the things I see around here is not Tesla. I bought a new car recently so I won't be in the market for a new one for at least 3-4 years but I fully expect my next car to be electric and I doubt it will be a Tesla (I have my eye on Jaguar ipace but who knows by then).
- grecy 6y ago
  > ID 3 is being mass produced now I just did a TON of searching, and while every outlet wrote about it in late 2019 and early 2020, and about how production was going to be x units/week by summer 2020, I can't find a single report written in the last ~3 months giving an update on how production of the ID.3 are going. Can you find a source for how many they're actually building per day right now?
  - reader_mode 6y ago
    Can't find production numbers but they recently made a statement that they have 40k orders which seems like less than they anticipated (blaming it on software issues) and expect the line to fill the emissions gap in their fleet [1] and deliveries have started. I should maybe rephrase my statement to say ID line is ramping up to mass production - I don't know what's their status but I've noticed them pushing ID.3 seriously around here (unlike say e-golf which was a half-assed "we have an electric car" thing) and they committed to a bunch of full electrics across the group (Škoda, Seat, Audi). [1] https://todaynewspost.com/auto-news/vw-braces-for-eu-fine-for-missing-co2-emissions-reduction-target/ https://todaynewspost.com/auto-news/vw-braces-for-eu-fine-fo...
    - grecy 6y ago
      Thanks. So like so many all-electric vehicles, the ID.3 is still not in mass production.
mhh__ 6y ago
Bentley are not a major car manufacturer as per se
- FreshFries 6y ago
  You are aware Bentley is part of the Volkswagen group? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    Major to me means VW group as a whole rather than Bentley. Bentley are a big company but they don't really have a range of cars as per se, they're all... Bentley's (if that makes sense)
rodgerd 6y ago
> but I'm weary after all the years of announcements and then not much actually happening on the ground. I see Leafs everywhere, Nissan's electric vans, BMW i3s, and I don't live somewhere with a big spend on new cars. Citroen and Puegeot's new cars all have electric options. The fact that the Germans are well behind due to their relentless insistence that all they need is diesel is bad for them but shrug.
- codeulike 6y ago
  Yeah it is getting better the last year or two
Xixi 6y ago
I just checked the numbers in France. Over the last three months, top EV constructors were, in order: Renault-Nissan, PSA, Hyundai, Kia, Tesla, BMW and Volkswagen. PSA wasn't even selling electric cars in 2019, and is already threatening Renault-Nissan for first spot. All their brands (Peugeot, Citroen, DS and Opel) have launched at least one EV in 2020. I don't think the new comers need luck, or your encouragements: they are already taking over the market. Maybe that's not the case in the US though: I have no idea about GM, Ford, etc...
- codeulike 6y ago
  True. If you take "200 miles of range" as the hurdle to be cleared, then all those manufacturers you mentioned have exactly one model each that can acheive that. Except BMW who've got nothing with that range. Tesla have four. I take '200 miles range' as the kindof benchmark of seriousness. Its easy to make EVs with 100 miles of range, we've had those for a decade. They have their uses as town cars but 200+ miles is much more useful. The other challenge is to deliver that range at a reasonable price.

Animats 6y ago

Yes. Aug 04, 2020: "The electric Ford F-150 will possibly debut in 2021." Motor Trend: "2022 Ford F-150 Electric Pickup: What We Know So Far" Motor Trend: "2023 Ford F-150 Electric: What We Know So Far" The big news is that the price has jumped up to $70K - $100K. There is no excuse for that. Jeep is supposedly coming out with a plug-in hybrid Jeep Wrangler next month. Electric range is maybe 25 miles.

toast0 6y ago
> Jeep is supposedly coming out with a plug-in hybrid Jeep Wrangler next month. Electric range is maybe 25 miles. That's enough to get a carpool sticker, right?
ineedasername 6y ago
On the plus side, on that short of a range you only need to carry a few AA batteries with you for a quick top-up.
x87678r 6y ago
> Electric range is maybe 25 miles Average commute is 16 miles each way so is doable.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  Depends on the type of commute. Are those 25 highway miles? If so, 16 miles of slow stop-and-go traffic could push the limit. Get stuck behind a car accident for an hour and it definitely would. Hybrid though, so you'd still have gas and wouldn't be stuck.
  - toast0 6y ago
    You've got it wrong for hybrids. Stop and go traffic is great for range. But if you can go highway speeds because there was an accident upstream of your entrance, you'll need to use gas to get home.
  - x87678r 6y ago
    Sure that's the point. Most of the time you can rely on electric, when something unusual happens or you're doing a road trip you use gas.

reader_mode 6y ago

I mean you could say the same thing about VW (surely a major car manufacturer) 3 years back but ID 3 is being mass produced now and has a clear backing from VW (eg. I see it advertised a decent amount). ID 4 is coming, VW group members will all offer EVs based on the same platform in following years. Electric cars are becoming a reality, charging networks are getting built, and most of the things I see around here is not Tesla. I bought a new car recently so I won't be in the market for a new one for at least 3-4 years but I fully expect my next car to be electric and I doubt it will be a Tesla (I have my eye on Jaguar ipace but who knows by then).

grecy 6y ago
> ID 3 is being mass produced now I just did a TON of searching, and while every outlet wrote about it in late 2019 and early 2020, and about how production was going to be x units/week by summer 2020, I can't find a single report written in the last ~3 months giving an update on how production of the ID.3 are going. Can you find a source for how many they're actually building per day right now?
- reader_mode 6y ago
  Can't find production numbers but they recently made a statement that they have 40k orders which seems like less than they anticipated (blaming it on software issues) and expect the line to fill the emissions gap in their fleet [1] and deliveries have started. I should maybe rephrase my statement to say ID line is ramping up to mass production - I don't know what's their status but I've noticed them pushing ID.3 seriously around here (unlike say e-golf which was a half-assed "we have an electric car" thing) and they committed to a bunch of full electrics across the group (Škoda, Seat, Audi). [1] https://todaynewspost.com/auto-news/vw-braces-for-eu-fine-for-missing-co2-emissions-reduction-target/ https://todaynewspost.com/auto-news/vw-braces-for-eu-fine-fo...
  - grecy 6y ago
    Thanks. So like so many all-electric vehicles, the ID.3 is still not in mass production.

mhh__ 6y ago

Bentley are not a major car manufacturer as per se

FreshFries 6y ago
You are aware Bentley is part of the Volkswagen group? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Major to me means VW group as a whole rather than Bentley. Bentley are a big company but they don't really have a range of cars as per se, they're all... Bentley's (if that makes sense)

rodgerd 6y ago

> but I'm weary after all the years of announcements and then not much actually happening on the ground. I see Leafs everywhere, Nissan's electric vans, BMW i3s, and I don't live somewhere with a big spend on new cars. Citroen and Puegeot's new cars all have electric options. The fact that the Germans are well behind due to their relentless insistence that all they need is diesel is bad for them but shrug.

codeulike 6y ago
Yeah it is getting better the last year or two

Xixi 6y ago

I just checked the numbers in France. Over the last three months, top EV constructors were, in order: Renault-Nissan, PSA, Hyundai, Kia, Tesla, BMW and Volkswagen. PSA wasn't even selling electric cars in 2019, and is already threatening Renault-Nissan for first spot. All their brands (Peugeot, Citroen, DS and Opel) have launched at least one EV in 2020. I don't think the new comers need luck, or your encouragements: they are already taking over the market. Maybe that's not the case in the US though: I have no idea about GM, Ford, etc...

codeulike 6y ago
True. If you take "200 miles of range" as the hurdle to be cleared, then all those manufacturers you mentioned have exactly one model each that can acheive that. Except BMW who've got nothing with that range. Tesla have four. I take '200 miles range' as the kindof benchmark of seriousness. Its easy to make EVs with 100 miles of range, we've had those for a decade. They have their uses as town cars but 200+ miles is much more useful. The other challenge is to deliver that range at a reasonable price.