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If S.H.I.E.L.D. waltzes into Wakanda and steals a ton of vibranium from their mines, is that not an act of theft/violence? Or is plundering another nation's res
by bigwavedave 6y ago
If S.H.I.E.L.D. waltzes into Wakanda and steals a ton of vibranium from their mines, is that not an act of theft/violence? Or is plundering another nation's resources not considered violence?
- thaumasiotes 6y ago> is that not an act of theft/violence? Well, I can see where your conceptual problem lies. Theft is taking something that isn't yours. Violence is use of force. They are orthogonal concerns. Whether your theft of something involved an act of violence depends on how you stole it.
- soulofmischief 6y agoWell actually, violence is not just physical in nature. You can be fiscally violent, i.e. harsh sanctions/trade wars, you can be emotionally violent, why you can commit unspeakable acts of violence without ever striking another person. Theft of resources to a point of detriment is always violence. Stealing an apple from Farmer John so you can eat is not violence. Destroying the ecosystem which Farmer John uses to grow his apples, so that you can have more apples, is violence. Overfishing in or near territories to the point of resource scarcity is 100%, always violence.
- bloodorange 6y agoHow do you plan to get others to go along with your interesting definition of violence? It sounds very much like something coming from fanatical "meat is murder" folks - at which point, it becomes hard to place trust in what the person is saying because one begins to doubt his/her motives.
- soulofmischief 6y agoIronically, you're the one trying to redefine violence to mean the narrow single definition you're accustomed to. Now you're appealing to identity and trying to claim I'm in the same camp as vegans, which is completely irrelevant to the discussion. If you have something substantial to say, please stop teasing us.
- bloodorange 6y agoIs the "us" like the royal "we"? I like how this works. Just make claims and they become true. There are other words to describe different concepts. If you want to conflate disparate things, I still don't see how you intend to have others go along with you. I'll wait till I hear news of a violent offender where the accusation was of consuming too much of a resource. I still stand by the analogy I used. This is no different than taking a word that people associate with something negative and expanding its use to refer to something else. I did not intend to "tease" your royal highness.
- soulofmischief 6y agoYou're the one making claims. Please show me that my definition of violence is incorrect.
- bloodorange 6y agoI'm afraid we are in disagreement again. I'm merely challenging your definition which naturally preceded my challenge as I do not yet possess unusual foresight.
- soulofmischief 6y agoWhat do you require? In this time you surely spent the effort in looking up the colloquial usage of the word already, so what else do you need?
- bloodorange 6y agoNothing more than you substantiating your claim. If it is indeed as you say, then the honourable thing for me to do would be to concede that my confidence was misplaced.
- soulofmischief 6y ago