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You are wrong. We live in such a dangerous world that the biggest reason for cause of death in many developed countries is suicide, obesity, diseases, etc.

dleslie 6y ago
The world is so safe that instead of dying from war, famine or untreatable infectious disease, those in developed countries are dying from diseases of wealth and comfort.
- tsar_bomba 6y ago
  Suicide is not a disease of comfort. Obesity is not a disease of wealth, for food (and junk food) is incredibly inexpensive in the developed world today, likely no more expensive than heavy smoking, alcohol, cocaine or opiates. These are diseases of overpopulation, loss of freedom and control over one's life and general lack of anything to live for in the future. Mouse utopia comes to mind.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    I vouched you up; I appreciate good discussion. It's true that obesity is an affliction related to poverty; but it is related to poverty in nations of relative wealth and comfort. Access to that cheap and terrible food relies upon a logistics system that is heavily resistent to famine and blight. Those in poverty who are dying from obesity related diseases are not dying in work place accidents, and are not dying in war or from untreatible infections. They didn't die in a pandemic. The opportunity to die of obesity related diseases is tied to the relative safety and comfort of the nations in which the late individuals were impoverished.
- bergstromm466 6y ago
  Obesity does not imply over-use of food with high nutritional value. In other words, obesity comes from worse diets. The working classes are bombarded with corporate foods that contain way too much sugar, etc.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    You still have to overeat to become obese. It does imply over-use of food, and at the same time diets may have gotten worse.
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  - rusk 6y ago
    Not sure why you're gone all grey there. This is the prevailing thinking in obesity research at the moment. You're more likely to be obese if you're poor than if you're rich.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    You don't get as much chance to die from obesity related diseases if you've died in a war, famine, pandemic, or from coal lung or crushed to death in a factory accident. It afflicts the poor in relatively comfortable and safe nations.

dleslie 6y ago

The world is so safe that instead of dying from war, famine or untreatable infectious disease, those in developed countries are dying from diseases of wealth and comfort.

tsar_bomba 6y ago
Suicide is not a disease of comfort. Obesity is not a disease of wealth, for food (and junk food) is incredibly inexpensive in the developed world today, likely no more expensive than heavy smoking, alcohol, cocaine or opiates. These are diseases of overpopulation, loss of freedom and control over one's life and general lack of anything to live for in the future. Mouse utopia comes to mind.
- dleslie 6y ago
  I vouched you up; I appreciate good discussion. It's true that obesity is an affliction related to poverty; but it is related to poverty in nations of relative wealth and comfort. Access to that cheap and terrible food relies upon a logistics system that is heavily resistent to famine and blight. Those in poverty who are dying from obesity related diseases are not dying in work place accidents, and are not dying in war or from untreatible infections. They didn't die in a pandemic. The opportunity to die of obesity related diseases is tied to the relative safety and comfort of the nations in which the late individuals were impoverished.
bergstromm466 6y ago
Obesity does not imply over-use of food with high nutritional value. In other words, obesity comes from worse diets. The working classes are bombarded with corporate foods that contain way too much sugar, etc.
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  You still have to overeat to become obese. It does imply over-use of food, and at the same time diets may have gotten worse.
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- rusk 6y ago
  Not sure why you're gone all grey there. This is the prevailing thinking in obesity research at the moment. You're more likely to be obese if you're poor than if you're rich.
- dleslie 6y ago
  You don't get as much chance to die from obesity related diseases if you've died in a war, famine, pandemic, or from coal lung or crushed to death in a factory accident. It afflicts the poor in relatively comfortable and safe nations.