20 ms·

The EU doesn't see free speech as a basic human right. They are of the opinion that some ideas are dangerous in and of themselves, even without a call to violen

The EU doesn't see free speech as a basic human right. They are of the opinion that some ideas are dangerous in and of themselves, even without a call to violence. It is doubtful that it will see something like encryption that allows speech and communication at a distance without government knowledge or control as a basic human right. After all, if some speech is so dangerous that it cannot be posted online, then we should make sure it is not spreading to who knows what kinds of people without government knowledge.

scrollaway 6y ago
There is no logical connection between your first sentence and encryption. (By the way, it's incorrect, we call it the right to freedom of expression over here; sometimes also referred to as the freedom of opinion)
romanoderoma 6y ago
> The EU doesn't see free speech as a basic human right Of course it is, it's called freedom of opinion, simply some opinions are considered crimes by the EU law system. Removing a post that incites someone to commit suicide or to kill someone can save the poster from being prosecuted. That's it. Private communications are excempted though, unless they need to be used in a trial after a judge authorized it.
- djbebs 6y ago
  Try going to berlin waving a nazi flag and saying they should have killed more jews back then to see how that goes
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    I'm Italian, it's a crime here too, I don't have to go to Berlin to see how it goes, when my father's home was raided by Nazis and he had to run and hide in the woods where he lived for two years, till the end of the war He was 4 years old. If you read again what I wrote it's already there: free of opinion doesn't mean that all opinions are permitted, because some of them are crimes. Anyway, if you know Berlin you should also know that there have been a spree of neo-nazi violence lately and the police is not doing much to stop it (I lived in Berlin for a few years) https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-police-admits-failures-over-far-right-crime-spree-in-neuk%C3%B6lln/a-55084116 https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-police-admits-failures-over-far...

scrollaway 6y ago

There is no logical connection between your first sentence and encryption. (By the way, it's incorrect, we call it the right to freedom of expression over here; sometimes also referred to as the freedom of opinion)

romanoderoma 6y ago

> The EU doesn't see free speech as a basic human right Of course it is, it's called freedom of opinion, simply some opinions are considered crimes by the EU law system. Removing a post that incites someone to commit suicide or to kill someone can save the poster from being prosecuted. That's it. Private communications are excempted though, unless they need to be used in a trial after a judge authorized it.

djbebs 6y ago
Try going to berlin waving a nazi flag and saying they should have killed more jews back then to see how that goes
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  I'm Italian, it's a crime here too, I don't have to go to Berlin to see how it goes, when my father's home was raided by Nazis and he had to run and hide in the woods where he lived for two years, till the end of the war He was 4 years old. If you read again what I wrote it's already there: free of opinion doesn't mean that all opinions are permitted, because some of them are crimes. Anyway, if you know Berlin you should also know that there have been a spree of neo-nazi violence lately and the police is not doing much to stop it (I lived in Berlin for a few years) https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-police-admits-failures-over-far-right-crime-spree-in-neuk%C3%B6lln/a-55084116 https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-police-admits-failures-over-far...