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The EU is slowly starting to show their true face. We probably have left at the last minute. I personally think this is an attempted assault on human rights and
by intricatedetail 6y ago
The EU is slowly starting to show their true face. We probably have left at the last minute. I personally think this is an attempted assault on human rights and such ideas should be nipped in a bud and people proposing that banned from any office. My blood boils.
- MrBuddyCasino 6y ago> We probably have left at the last minute. If that means you’re British: the GCHQ initiated this. Nobody is more under video surveillance than you guys. Enjoy your chat loicense.
- intricatedetail 6y agoWe can now vote for a party who can try to fix this. It wouldn't be possible if that was EU wide.
- scrollaway 6y agoThe EU certainly did not put a gun to your head and ask you to be one of the most surveilled countries in the world.
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- alkonaut 6y agoBrexit was founded on the misunderstanding that it was "faceless unelected bureaucrats" that run the EU. I'd argue Britons wielded more power than most others in the EU, and that the EU parliament is quite a lot more democratic than the British one. The british are now stuck with the UK parliament without adult supervision.
- intricatedetail 6y agoCan you explain how average Brit had more power?
- alkonaut 6y agoBecause they still had exactly the same power in their own government, and a sizable chunk of power in the European one. Now they'll follow a huge part of European regulations to be able to trade, but have no seat at the table.
- intricatedetail 6y agoGovernment had to implement whatever EC proposed and MEPs voted in. Now they don't have to.
- fakedang 6y agoFun fact, almost all of that surveillance is operated by private players - pubs, shops, small stores, etc. The UK never had a Big Brother set up unlike some mainland cities. People keep bringing up this bullshit statistic without going deeper. And it's not like the police can barge in and demand video.
- MrBuddyCasino 6y ago> UK never had a Big Brother set up I don't even know where to start.
- fakedang 6y agoI mean sure there is the GCHQ and all of its shenanigans, but none closely resembling a system where the police track your movements every single second via video feed.
- MrBuddyCasino 6y agoWell then there is nothing to worry about haha, you sure seem like a splendid lad and the coppers won't ever knock on your door for wrong-think will they, because that has never happened right, that simply isn't a thing in the UK, couldn't be me I surely have only officially approved opinions haha I love this new law
- fakedang 6y agoFunnily when I was in London, coppers knocked on my door at least twice a year on average. It was a running gag towards the end. Considering that I come from a third world nation where the cops often pull members of my community aside for searches and special checks, the British police force for all their faults are a breath of fresh air. I've been exactly in that spot, with police using surveillance data and national ID data to arrest protestors and put them under false charges. I've personally almost been arrested for no reason except for 1.) walking in the night alone and 2.) walking at night in suspicious clothing (i.e. T-shirt and shorts).
- ben_w 6y agoIf by “we” you mean “the UK”, I’d like to point you in the direction of the UK’s Investigatory Powers Act, which is much worse than “we don’t like encrypted chat”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_201...
- intricatedetail 6y agoThat is true, but you will be able to vote for a party in power to reverse it. Not possible in case of EU.
- the_mitsuhiko 6y ago> That is true, but you will be able to vote for a party in power to reverse it. Not possible in case of EU. Explain this logic to me please.
- intricatedetail 6y agoThese things come from EC. Your vote does not influence incoming legislation. Only way to achieve something is lobbying and you'd have to find huge sums to have EC members even consider talking to you. They can make a lot of money from controlling the communication of citizens and you cannot vote them out, so what's the alternative?
- the_mitsuhiko 6y agoLegislation in most countries does not come from elected officials, it typically is drafted up by lawyers. That's not a good argument. With the commission a lot of what ends up on the proposals is lobbied by citizens and it's the MEP that vote on it before becoming law who are elected. I vote liberal parties in my country and that has done jack shit to prevent shitty laws to be passed because the majority seems to be electing the types of people who absolutely adore surveillance.
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- EliRivers 6y agoI note that here I am in the UK, and the current home secretary appears to be Priti Patel. Who is far more hardline on this than the EU, and not in the good direction. If we left at the last minute, it's so that we can go faster. One of the things we are deliberately jettisoning is the protections afforded us by being in the EU.
- intricatedetail 6y agoWe now have more control and we can vote for a party that could fix this.
- djaychela 6y agoThere won't be a party who has a chance of being elected that could 'fix' this.
- EliRivers 6y agoWe could. We won't. People who cared about this in the UK; our best bet was to stay in the EU which is not nearly so extreme about it as the UK is. The current UK government is looking forwards to jettisoning the protections and human rights that were afforded us by being in the EU. That said, the current UK government is fantastically inept. Everything they touch turns to shit, and any time BoJo says he absolutely won't do something - he'll crumble in a fortnight (see e.g. every EU negotiation, Lockdown 2.0, the feeding children fiasco, etc etc). There are current UK ministers whose names have become bywords for incompetency and government fuckup. If the UK decided to ban encryption tomorrow, and the government put their best people on it, we'd be looking at a decade or so before they got anywhere. The EU are heading to a more moderate place, but they will get there faster by virtue of not being British; by not having to do it via the dream team of Johnson, Cummings, and whoever is in charge of screwing up everything they touch this week (Chris Grayling, the man who paid millions to a ferry company that had never owned, chartered, leased or in any other way been involved with a ferry or single ferry route, historically takes this role).
- raspyberr 6y agoCould you please name a party who's against this? The Pirate Party UK recently disbanded. There is no one to vote for and practically starting a party won't achieve much. Seriously, give me a party to vote for to reduce the state of surveillance in the UK.
- kmeisthax 6y agoI agree save for the attack on the EU at the start. I'm assuming you're English (or an Irish Unionist), and will point out that the UK has been entirely onboard with the EU's most egregious abuses of power. Hell, some of them were the UK's idea. (EUCD Article 17 comes to mind.) In this particular case the UK already has local laws which establish a legal duty to decrypt data on command of the government. As far as I'm concerned the UK's hands are just as dirty as any other EU member state, and the problems with the EU are not the institution itself but the member states that make it up using it as a policy laundering device.