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The US has been on Saudi and North Korea level for a while now

• chance_state 6y ago
  Lol, what?
  • romanoderoma 6y ago
    Ehm... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowden-nsa-surveillance-guardian-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowd...
    • ben_w 6y ago
      North Korea is rather a lot worse: https://insinuator.net/2015/07/redstar-os-watermarking/ https://insinuator.net/2015/07/redstar-os-watermarking/
      • notreallytrue 6y ago
        Being better than North Korea is a pretty low bar I would expect from the greatest democracy and country in the World to be in the top three, not a little bit better than those at the bottom
        • ben_w 6y ago
          My point is NK is a lot worse, not “a little bit”.
          • notreallytrue 6y ago
            As any other country did something similar to what US did? Can you name one which isn't already bad? Like, I don't know, Spain? Germany? Argentina? South Africa? The greatest democracy and country in the World shouldn't even be in the same business of North Korea style And yet...
            • ben_w 6y ago
              There’s plenty of stuff America does wrong, present tense and past, without needing to make hyperbolic comparisons to NK.
              • notreallytrue 6y ago
                It's not hyperbolic How many countries NK invaded? How many coup d'état that established long and painful military dictatorships around the World it supported and/or financed? At least nobody calls NK the greatest democracy and country in the world or the land of the free...
                • ben_w 6y ago
                  On the other hand, how many styles of haircut are you legally allowed in the USA? Can you leave if you want to? Can you criticise the government without you and your family being shot? Never mind Apples and Oranges, you’re comparing a rabid kitten (NK: you don’t want to be a cell inside it, but the animal is containable) with a healthy chimpanzee in the jungle you’re walking though (USA: violent and acts like it owns the place, so being one of its cells is safer than being a cell in many of the things around it).
                  • romanoderoma 6y ago
                    Good answer, but hyronically in USA you have 6 chances in 100 thousands to be murdered, in NK it's 6 in a million. Looks like the chimpanzee cells are not safer after all.
                    • ben_w 6y ago
                      What’s your source? Wikipedia puts their intentional homicide rates at 4.96 and 4.40 per 100k respectively.
                      • romanoderoma 6y ago
      • GekkePrutser 6y ago
        I would bet a guess that privacy in NK is actually better when you're purely looking at a digital point of view. After all, many people there won't have access to such technology. They'll be off the grid unlike most of us. Of course that doesn't actually give them privacy, I'm sure that there's plenty of 'friendly' neighbours spying on each other for a few bucks, basically stasi style. And also this watermarking isn't all that different from our browser fingerprinting and mega data collection. It's just a cultural difference. The NK government wants their citizens to know they're being spied on. Whereas ours is trying to hide it. Thus more focus on the endpoint device rather than the cloud side.
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