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If we can't/won't/shouldn't stop the Chinese then we need to stop our fishing, and never buy any Chinese fish. Much easier to enforce ourselves.

fvv 6y ago
China could anyway consume internally all the fish .. things meat be regulated and rules respected there should be a global entity that regulate that
- undersuit 6y ago
  You bring up a good point, they could consume all the fish. But if we can't regulate them, WE will consume all the fish. We don't need to consume all the fish.
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echelon 6y ago
We need to stop doing business with China period. They're going to leapfrog our knowledge industries, leading to total economic stagnation of the West. We shouldn't do business with a country that steals, doesn't play fair, is the embodiment of 1984, and above all, commits genocide. Get the G7 countries, Korea, India, etc. on board with the plan. Start doing manufacturing in India, Vietnam, Africa, and Mexico. Copy their Belt initiative, but make the countries that do business with us allies rather than devastatingly indebted. Agree in unison to cancel Chinese debts owed as repayment for technologies stolen. Defend the South China Sea for energy exploration by other neighboring countries. Defend Vietnam's water rights. Strengthen alliance with Vietnam, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. In the extreme case, offer recognition of independence to Taiwan or even US statehood. Brain drain China. Offer immigration packages and economic incentives to Chinese PhD students. We have to be proactive about the situation. Xi has played the CCP's hand early, and we have a chance to nip their ambitions in the bud. Before anyone accuses me of racism, I care deeply about the Chinese people. I also acknowledge the problems of the West - racial injustice, inequality, ongoing wars. But compared to democracy, as flawed as it is, I think the future posed by Communist China is nightmare fuel and has the potential to eclipse the future we are trying to build.
- bergstromm466 6y ago
  > We shouldn't do business with a country that steals, doesn't play fair, is the embodiment of 1984, and above all, commits genocide. I do not understand how you can say this about China? [1] > I think the future posed by Communist China is nightmare fuel and has the potential to eclipse the future we are trying to build Seriously? [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3LFbOSPfrE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3LFbOSPfrE
  - thotsBgone 6y ago
    The US does not have concentration camps full of religious minorities. The US media is only lightly censored, as opposed to the fully censored Chinese media. The US has not implemented a social credit system to turn its own population into a secret police. The US doesn't cover up global pandemics and then "disappear" anyone who talks about the cover up. The US is not the worlds biggest jailer of journalists. The US is not a one-party system which has outlawed protests etc. The US does not execute mass-scale non-consensual organ-harvesting of religious minorities to fuel their organ tourism industry. You should be thankful that speaking against the US government won't get you kidnapped and tortured like it would in China. If this was China, your very comment could lead to your death.
    - vkou 6y ago
      > The US has not implemented a social credit system to turn its own population into a secret police. The US does seem to have a large misunderstanding of what the social credit system is, and the ways it differs, and does not differ from the regular credit system.
      - thotsBgone 6y ago
        In what ways is the social credit system not a "tool for comprehensive government surveillance and for suppression of dissent from the Communist Party of China", as Wikipedia puts it?
fiblye 6y ago
Other countries get plenty of fish unlabeled as being from China or completely mislabeled. Farmed fish also generally relies on being fed cheaper seafood, and it’s hard to beat Chinese prices. It’s best to just stop eating fish for a while. If the industry shrinks even a bit, things can start to recover.

fvv 6y ago

China could anyway consume internally all the fish .. things meat be regulated and rules respected there should be a global entity that regulate that

undersuit 6y ago
You bring up a good point, they could consume all the fish. But if we can't regulate them, WE will consume all the fish. We don't need to consume all the fish.
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echelon 6y ago

We need to stop doing business with China period. They're going to leapfrog our knowledge industries, leading to total economic stagnation of the West. We shouldn't do business with a country that steals, doesn't play fair, is the embodiment of 1984, and above all, commits genocide. Get the G7 countries, Korea, India, etc. on board with the plan. Start doing manufacturing in India, Vietnam, Africa, and Mexico. Copy their Belt initiative, but make the countries that do business with us allies rather than devastatingly indebted. Agree in unison to cancel Chinese debts owed as repayment for technologies stolen. Defend the South China Sea for energy exploration by other neighboring countries. Defend Vietnam's water rights. Strengthen alliance with Vietnam, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan. In the extreme case, offer recognition of independence to Taiwan or even US statehood. Brain drain China. Offer immigration packages and economic incentives to Chinese PhD students. We have to be proactive about the situation. Xi has played the CCP's hand early, and we have a chance to nip their ambitions in the bud. Before anyone accuses me of racism, I care deeply about the Chinese people. I also acknowledge the problems of the West - racial injustice, inequality, ongoing wars. But compared to democracy, as flawed as it is, I think the future posed by Communist China is nightmare fuel and has the potential to eclipse the future we are trying to build.

bergstromm466 6y ago
> We shouldn't do business with a country that steals, doesn't play fair, is the embodiment of 1984, and above all, commits genocide. I do not understand how you can say this about China? [1] > I think the future posed by Communist China is nightmare fuel and has the potential to eclipse the future we are trying to build Seriously? [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3LFbOSPfrE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3LFbOSPfrE
- thotsBgone 6y ago
  The US does not have concentration camps full of religious minorities. The US media is only lightly censored, as opposed to the fully censored Chinese media. The US has not implemented a social credit system to turn its own population into a secret police. The US doesn't cover up global pandemics and then "disappear" anyone who talks about the cover up. The US is not the worlds biggest jailer of journalists. The US is not a one-party system which has outlawed protests etc. The US does not execute mass-scale non-consensual organ-harvesting of religious minorities to fuel their organ tourism industry. You should be thankful that speaking against the US government won't get you kidnapped and tortured like it would in China. If this was China, your very comment could lead to your death.
  - vkou 6y ago
    > The US has not implemented a social credit system to turn its own population into a secret police. The US does seem to have a large misunderstanding of what the social credit system is, and the ways it differs, and does not differ from the regular credit system.
    - thotsBgone 6y ago
      In what ways is the social credit system not a "tool for comprehensive government surveillance and for suppression of dissent from the Communist Party of China", as Wikipedia puts it?

fiblye 6y ago

Other countries get plenty of fish unlabeled as being from China or completely mislabeled. Farmed fish also generally relies on being fed cheaper seafood, and it’s hard to beat Chinese prices. It’s best to just stop eating fish for a while. If the industry shrinks even a bit, things can start to recover.