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The balance of control is in the users favour on iOS even though it doesn't allow such basic affordances as sideloading apps?
by shawnz 6y ago
The balance of control is in the users favour on iOS even though it doesn't allow such basic affordances as sideloading apps?
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- ericmay 6y agoSide loading apps is not in the user’s favor though. The iPhone is purchased explicitly to avoid that.
- shawnz 6y agoBy what rationale can you say that blocking sideloading is good for the user but not blocking screenshots?
- ericmay 6y agoBecause it deleverages Apple’s ability to negotiate for users against developers as a collective bargaining agent. You can jailbreak your iPhone or get an Android one if you want.
- shawnz 6y agoAnd blocking screenshots gives Google the ability to negotiate for users against developers who might otherwise not value the privacy of the user's screen contents... so what's the difference? You can get an iPhone if you want unrestricted screen access by apps. > You can jailbreak your iPhone And defeat all the security of the platform? No thanks. Plus, that relies on exploits being available (which I would hope for my own sake that they are not).
- ericmay 6y agoThat’s not the same thing at all lol. And iPhone doesn’t give apps unrestricted screen access.
- shawnz 6y agoYou don't see it as the same because you have different expectations/needs. I don't see Apple's control of the app store as being a value-add for me, so to me that is user-hostile. Meanwhile I do think it's important that apps can't arbitrarily look at my screen contents.
- ericmay 6y ago> I don't see Apple's control of the app store as being a value-add for me, so to me that is user-hostile. Sure, I think the exact opposite is the case. Fortunately so far Apple has been on my side here. When that changes, I'll have to reevaluate the utility of the iPhone. > Meanwhile I do think it's important that apps can't arbitrarily look at my screen contents Hmm. Do you have any resources I could read to understand how iOS apps are able to arbitrarily read my screen contents? Thanks.
- gst 6y agoOne benefit of blocking sideloading is that it prevents people who have brief access to your phone (border agents, police, etc.) from installing spyware apps on the phone. On iOS those people can extract your data as local backup, but they won't be able to install any unapproved apps that run in the background and that monitor you. On Android it's trivial to install spyware apps via sideloading and regular users most likely aren't able to detect or uninstall them.
- shawnz 6y agoRight, and so on platforms where sideloading is allowed doesn't it make sense to restrict the ways in which apps might be able to see the screen contents of other apps, for the benefit of the user? It's the same justification in both cases: ensuring the user's data stays private. I would prefer no screenshots over no sideloading if those are the only options.
- ericmay 6y agoSure, but iOS users such as myself prefer no side loading, primarily because I see no reason to side load any applications.
- shawnz 6y agoHave you considered that even though you don't need it now, you could at any time in the future have some kind of disagreement with Apple about what kind of apps should be allowed on iOS (consider the Fortnite issue for example) and by that point, vendor lock-in would make it impractical to change platforms?
- ericmay 6y agoSure it’s possible, although it appears to be unlikely. But in the worst case I can go without a phone. Fortnite was a great example of how the platform > any single app. I sided with Apple completely.
- pessimizer 6y ago> The iPhone is purchased explicitly to avoid that. This is untrue. Not a single person purchased an iPhone in order to prevent themselves from loading apps.
- snazz 6y agoI'm sure that plenty of people have purchased iPhones for their older parents to decrease the odds that they install malware.
- Razengan 6y agoIt's not a basic affordance if millions of people don't give a fuck about it.