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many people who have nothing to do with swastikas have been called literally nazis including myself,an israeli jew

markdown 6y ago
To be fair, certain Israeli jews are the most Nazi-like people on the planet. Do you perhaps support an Israeli government that's engaged in apartheid and other Nazi-like behaviour.
- andi999 6y ago
  Nah, Israeli are cool. The left just doesnt like it that they (generally) do not have a victim mentality.
  - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
    Not sure what “victim mentality” is trying to imply. Sometimes people really are victims. Did European Jews during WW2 have a “victim mentality”, by your standards?
    - andi999 6y ago
      No, obviously they were victims. Victim mentality is something different: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality
  - markdown 6y ago
    Are you responding to someone else? I don't understand your reference to "the left". I certainly didn't say anything about directions. I agree that Israel the state does not have a victim mentality. Like the Hitler's Germany.
drran 6y ago
National socialism is philosophy, which can be applied everywhere, including Israeli. If somebody thinks that his nation is "gifted", while others are not, so government must support gifted people and punish other peoples, then it's National Socialism, regardless of country and nationality.
- jl2718 6y ago
  The formula “government must [support] X people, and [mitigate] Y people” seems like a pretty consistent formula for all collectivism. They only differ in the reasoning. It could be anything: smart/dumb, peaceful/violent, weak/strong, poor/rich. And in any order. Today people seem to be fixated on race. I wonder if we’ll ever get past that.
- saargrin 6y ago
  Nazism is one thing , national socialism is another (with non-capital letters) to my understanding , national socialism is in principle a socialism that is tooled to deliver social policies within a ntaion-state , which is not a very controversial idea . there is no intrinsic need to punish anybody for anything and frankly , thinking that one's nation is "gifted" is not an illegitimate opinion, even if its probably wrong ,as long as it doesnt translate into any kind of racist or expansionary policy
  - drran 6y ago
    Nazism is formally known as National Socialism. (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
scsilver 6y ago
Yeah but what about the ones holding swastikas saying chanting "Blood and soil, Jews will not replace us" who were not condemned by the to of GOP leadership. The left uses their words like a shotgun, however, theres still nazis out there.
- koolba 6y ago
  Not condemned? He literally used the phrase “condemned totally” referring to them. How much more condemned can you get? Here’s a direct quote from Trump’s press conference: > “It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?” It’s an outright lie to claim otherwise and the media was complicit in allowing Biden to do so. Over and over.
  - scsilver 6y ago
    The first statement said both sides, the second statement 2 days later tried to clarify the statement with an excuse that he was saying other people that walked amongst nazi were the good people. As a constant pattern of trumps presidency, he throws out a dog whistle and then walks it back 2 days later sayig he was taken out of context, misspoke, or was joking. You can claim he's fighting against antisemitism and racism, but I just straight up don't trust his good faith. My jewish eyes see him as supporting nazis and a supporter of those who walk with nazis. Him being a poor communicator is a lackluster excuse why I should trust him. All those other good people walked under those nazi flags. Why would I trust them either?
    - koolba 6y ago
      > The first statement said both sides, the second statement 2 days later tried to clarify the statement with an excuse that he was saying other people that walked amongst nazi were the good people. The first statement is in regards to people protesting to bring down monuments. There’s clearly two sides to that argument and there are many fine people, myself included, that do not want to see statues of Lincoln torn now. > As a constant pattern of trumps presidency, he throws out a dog whistle and then walks it back 2 days later sayig he was taken out of context, misspoke, or was joking. You can claim he's fighting against antisemitism and racism, but I just straight up don't trust his good faith. If your own biases interpret everything in some perverted negative light, then it’s an impossible standard to meet. > My jewish eyes see him as supporting nazis and a supporter of those who walk with nazis. And yet his grandchildren are Jewish and he’s had more success negotiating Middle East peace deals that benefit Israel than any other president. If he’s Nazi supporter he’s doing a pretty crappy job at it. > Him being a poor communicator is a lackluster excuse why I should trust him. If you refuse to ever give the benefit of the doubt then why even argue about it? > All those other good people walked under those nazi flags. Why would I trust them either? Nobody says to trust them. But they’re not the only ones that wanted to preserve historic statues. That’s like reducing all of recent racial / police protests to a bunch of looters robbing a Best Buy.

To be fair, certain Israeli jews are the most Nazi-like people on the planet. Do you perhaps support an Israeli government that's engaged in apartheid and other Nazi-like behaviour.

andi999 6y ago
Nah, Israeli are cool. The left just doesnt like it that they (generally) do not have a victim mentality.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  Not sure what “victim mentality” is trying to imply. Sometimes people really are victims. Did European Jews during WW2 have a “victim mentality”, by your standards?
  - andi999 6y ago
    No, obviously they were victims. Victim mentality is something different: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_mentality
- markdown 6y ago
  Are you responding to someone else? I don't understand your reference to "the left". I certainly didn't say anything about directions. I agree that Israel the state does not have a victim mentality. Like the Hitler's Germany.

drran 6y ago

National socialism is philosophy, which can be applied everywhere, including Israeli. If somebody thinks that his nation is "gifted", while others are not, so government must support gifted people and punish other peoples, then it's National Socialism, regardless of country and nationality.

jl2718 6y ago
The formula “government must [support] X people, and [mitigate] Y people” seems like a pretty consistent formula for all collectivism. They only differ in the reasoning. It could be anything: smart/dumb, peaceful/violent, weak/strong, poor/rich. And in any order. Today people seem to be fixated on race. I wonder if we’ll ever get past that.
saargrin 6y ago
Nazism is one thing , national socialism is another (with non-capital letters) to my understanding , national socialism is in principle a socialism that is tooled to deliver social policies within a ntaion-state , which is not a very controversial idea . there is no intrinsic need to punish anybody for anything and frankly , thinking that one's nation is "gifted" is not an illegitimate opinion, even if its probably wrong ,as long as it doesnt translate into any kind of racist or expansionary policy
- drran 6y ago
  Nazism is formally known as National Socialism. (Wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

scsilver 6y ago

Yeah but what about the ones holding swastikas saying chanting "Blood and soil, Jews will not replace us" who were not condemned by the to of GOP leadership. The left uses their words like a shotgun, however, theres still nazis out there.

koolba 6y ago
Not condemned? He literally used the phrase “condemned totally” referring to them. How much more condemned can you get? Here’s a direct quote from Trump’s press conference: > “It’s fine, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?” It’s an outright lie to claim otherwise and the media was complicit in allowing Biden to do so. Over and over.
- scsilver 6y ago
  The first statement said both sides, the second statement 2 days later tried to clarify the statement with an excuse that he was saying other people that walked amongst nazi were the good people. As a constant pattern of trumps presidency, he throws out a dog whistle and then walks it back 2 days later sayig he was taken out of context, misspoke, or was joking. You can claim he's fighting against antisemitism and racism, but I just straight up don't trust his good faith. My jewish eyes see him as supporting nazis and a supporter of those who walk with nazis. Him being a poor communicator is a lackluster excuse why I should trust him. All those other good people walked under those nazi flags. Why would I trust them either?
  - koolba 6y ago
    > The first statement said both sides, the second statement 2 days later tried to clarify the statement with an excuse that he was saying other people that walked amongst nazi were the good people. The first statement is in regards to people protesting to bring down monuments. There’s clearly two sides to that argument and there are many fine people, myself included, that do not want to see statues of Lincoln torn now. > As a constant pattern of trumps presidency, he throws out a dog whistle and then walks it back 2 days later sayig he was taken out of context, misspoke, or was joking. You can claim he's fighting against antisemitism and racism, but I just straight up don't trust his good faith. If your own biases interpret everything in some perverted negative light, then it’s an impossible standard to meet. > My jewish eyes see him as supporting nazis and a supporter of those who walk with nazis. And yet his grandchildren are Jewish and he’s had more success negotiating Middle East peace deals that benefit Israel than any other president. If he’s Nazi supporter he’s doing a pretty crappy job at it. > Him being a poor communicator is a lackluster excuse why I should trust him. If you refuse to ever give the benefit of the doubt then why even argue about it? > All those other good people walked under those nazi flags. Why would I trust them either? Nobody says to trust them. But they’re not the only ones that wanted to preserve historic statues. That’s like reducing all of recent racial / police protests to a bunch of looters robbing a Best Buy.