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lol i no longer have energy for gotta hear both sides argument, whether its naive because of a myopic and narrow world view or just bad faith. like you said - h

by cpufry 6y ago

lol i no longer have energy for gotta hear both sides argument, whether its naive because of a myopic and narrow world view or just bad faith. like you said - how tf is mask wearing a political issue jfc

cmurf 6y ago
Combination of decadence, selfishness, cultism and vindictive politics. The first two are self explanatory and certainly cross party lines. Cult of Trump is to merely accept his say so that mask wearing has no efficacy and is merely political correctness. And really believe he knows better than scientists (anyone really). From many conversations, it's just to piss off liberals. What I call vindictive politics. Literally many conversations, why do you like Trump and agree with him on things like fighting over masks? Schadenfreude. Making liberals scoff and angry makes them happy. Ok why so much annoyance with liberal? A common example, is gay marriage which many Trump supporters consider completely immoral on religious grounds. It's so heinous to them they use oral rape metaphor to describe it: you liberals jammed gay marriage down our throats. We support Trump because he makes you angry. I've asked for clarification: this is pay back for things like gay marriage and protecting abortion rights? "You betcha its payback! We don't care what crazy things he does or says. The more it pisses off liberals the better job he's doing." Their words. They have grievances. Trump soothes it by helping them get payback. He grew his base by 7 million in this election. He gained almost as many votes as Bernie Sanders total vote count in the 2020 primary. A lot of people think this is about Trump. And it's gone once he's gone. I don't.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  > It's so heinous to them they use oral rape metaphor to describe it: you liberals jammed gay marriage down our throats. This is such a ridiculous spin on “jammed down our throats” that none of them would have even considered that as a possible interpretation until you said it. Gay marriage is definitely not an issue that is top of mind for many Trump supporters.
  - mg794613 6y ago
    ”not an issue that is top of mind for many Trump supporters.” with a group that large I could replace 'gay marriage' with anything else and it would still be true. It might not be on spot number 1 for shared worry. However pretending that a _substantitial_ part does not have it on top of their mind (even if just to piss liberals) is dishonest.
    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      You’re simply wrong. Do they have a position on it? Yes, obviously. Is it why they voted for Trump? Not even a little bit. And obviously they would have been pretty disappointed if they had, because he didn’t do anything to oppose gay marriage, nor did he say he would if re-elected. Yet 70 million still voted. I’m not going to call you dishonest, because like most on the left, you simply don’t understand folks on the right.
      - acdha 6y ago
        It’s not a single issue driving votes like abortion or guns but it’s a notable component in the “defender of Christianity” imagery a LOT of right-wingers use to justify why they supported such an un-Christlike person (the King Cyrus comparison being a common choice), and you don’t have to try hard to find people who link it to pedophilia and now the QAnon theories which have a large number of of adherents.
  - cmurf 6y ago
    Oh they are way more hateful of transgender people. Same with Trump as evidenced by his policies. He really does represent his supporters. Democracy in action, I suppose.
Izkata 6y ago
> how tf is mask wearing a political issue jfc The most common argument I've heard isn't about the mask itself, it's about the government acting like a parent that knows better than you. Lots of anti-mask people have said they would wear a mask if the government simply treated people like adults and asked instead of mandated it.
- arolihas 6y ago
  This is the most childish excuse I’ve ever heard. Imagine putting yourself and others at risk because you feel like you’re being forced to stay safe in a pandemic.

by cpufry 6y ago

cmurf 6y ago

Combination of decadence, selfishness, cultism and vindictive politics. The first two are self explanatory and certainly cross party lines. Cult of Trump is to merely accept his say so that mask wearing has no efficacy and is merely political correctness. And really believe he knows better than scientists (anyone really). From many conversations, it's just to piss off liberals. What I call vindictive politics. Literally many conversations, why do you like Trump and agree with him on things like fighting over masks? Schadenfreude. Making liberals scoff and angry makes them happy. Ok why so much annoyance with liberal? A common example, is gay marriage which many Trump supporters consider completely immoral on religious grounds. It's so heinous to them they use oral rape metaphor to describe it: you liberals jammed gay marriage down our throats. We support Trump because he makes you angry. I've asked for clarification: this is pay back for things like gay marriage and protecting abortion rights? "You betcha its payback! We don't care what crazy things he does or says. The more it pisses off liberals the better job he's doing." Their words. They have grievances. Trump soothes it by helping them get payback. He grew his base by 7 million in this election. He gained almost as many votes as Bernie Sanders total vote count in the 2020 primary. A lot of people think this is about Trump. And it's gone once he's gone. I don't.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
> It's so heinous to them they use oral rape metaphor to describe it: you liberals jammed gay marriage down our throats. This is such a ridiculous spin on “jammed down our throats” that none of them would have even considered that as a possible interpretation until you said it. Gay marriage is definitely not an issue that is top of mind for many Trump supporters.
- mg794613 6y ago
  ”not an issue that is top of mind for many Trump supporters.” with a group that large I could replace 'gay marriage' with anything else and it would still be true. It might not be on spot number 1 for shared worry. However pretending that a _substantitial_ part does not have it on top of their mind (even if just to piss liberals) is dishonest.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    You’re simply wrong. Do they have a position on it? Yes, obviously. Is it why they voted for Trump? Not even a little bit. And obviously they would have been pretty disappointed if they had, because he didn’t do anything to oppose gay marriage, nor did he say he would if re-elected. Yet 70 million still voted. I’m not going to call you dishonest, because like most on the left, you simply don’t understand folks on the right.
    - acdha 6y ago
      It’s not a single issue driving votes like abortion or guns but it’s a notable component in the “defender of Christianity” imagery a LOT of right-wingers use to justify why they supported such an un-Christlike person (the King Cyrus comparison being a common choice), and you don’t have to try hard to find people who link it to pedophilia and now the QAnon theories which have a large number of of adherents.
- cmurf 6y ago
  Oh they are way more hateful of transgender people. Same with Trump as evidenced by his policies. He really does represent his supporters. Democracy in action, I suppose.

Izkata 6y ago

> how tf is mask wearing a political issue jfc The most common argument I've heard isn't about the mask itself, it's about the government acting like a parent that knows better than you. Lots of anti-mask people have said they would wear a mask if the government simply treated people like adults and asked instead of mandated it.

arolihas 6y ago
This is the most childish excuse I’ve ever heard. Imagine putting yourself and others at risk because you feel like you’re being forced to stay safe in a pandemic.