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>If I were to live in America, I think I would happier and more accepted among the "racist rednecks" in Idaho or Alabama that among the NY/SF liberal crowd. Si

>If I were to live in America, I think I would happier and more accepted among the "racist rednecks" in Idaho or Alabama that among the NY/SF liberal crowd. Since you don’t live in America, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and you should stop talking like you do.

cambalache 6y ago
The world is big my friend, I dont live in America but I do know plenty of Americans. Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it.
- learc83 6y ago
  I'm sorry but you still have no idea what you're talking about. 'I know some Americans' doesn't cut it. Unless you've lived in Trump country for a while there's no way you've met enough hard core Trump supporting rednecks to make any kind of accurate generalization about them. >Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it. I live in one of the reddest states in the nation and come from a family full of those Alabama rednecks you talk about, and I voted Republican in every election before 2016. If you think I represent the liberal elite, you're dead wrong. Good luck trying to get along with the rednecks you're talking about. Most of them don't want you here, and if they had their preferred immigration policy you wouldn't be allowed in. Many of the family members I talked about wouldn't even allow you to marry a person outside your race, and they'd prefer if schools were still segregated. Though they'd never say that to an outsider's face. And the majority of them outright support requiring Muslims to register with the government so they can be tracked. This has nothing to do with the South btw, it's more of an urban rural divide.
manigandham 6y ago
I live in America, am a foreign-born naturalized US citizen, and I agree with them completely. Your comment is another example of the moral superiority and insults aimed at anyone who questions this soft-bigotry from the left. Ironically, living in America usually means you have no idea about the level of violence, racism and suffering around the world, and lack much of the perspective of immigrants who sacrifice so much to move here.
- learc83 6y ago
  live in a bright red state and the Alabama red necks make up a large percentage of my family. Believe me if you lived in a small town with them you’d change your mind about which type of racism you prefer pretty quickly. > Ironically, living in America usually means you have no idea about the level of violence, racism and suffering around the world, and lack much of the perspective of immigrants who sacrifice so much to move here. It’s interesting you bring that up because if you come from a “shit hole” country, you wouldn’t even be allowed to be here if those voters had their way.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    There are almost 8 billion people in the world. Even if 1% are bad, that's 80 million people. You're definitely going to encounter some, but America has way better quality of life because of the strong mix of cultures that mitigate such problems. Some "rednecks" in a small town is not indicative of the entire country, nor would you rather live in another country where that's the national norm. The issue with immigration has been stopping illegal entry and ensuring the rest are valuable contributors to society. Nobody is stopped because of their national origin, nor has that ever been proposed. The USA still continues its green card lottery system which gives out many free slots every year. Very few countries come anywhere close to matching the immigration strength or desire of the USA.
    - learc83 6y ago
      > Some "rednecks" in a small town is not indicative of the entire country, Neither is some asshole liberal you ran into once. Nor is the caricature of "Liberal elites" you read about in the National Review. >nor would you rather live in another country where that's the national norm. Who said I'd rather live in another country. You seem to be having the argument you'd like to be having rather than actually participating in a conversation. >The issue with immigration policy has been stopping illegal entry and ensuring the rest are valuable contributors to society. I'm sorry but if you aren't considered part of the in group, White Trump supporters won't admit this to you, but as a group they are terrified by the demographic changes in the country. Fear that their culture is being erased is the primary impetus behind their call for decreased immigration. Law and order, and calling for a points base immigration system is simply more palatable than outright calling for only letting in Whites. >Nobody is stopped because of their national origin, nor has that ever been proposed. Trump has instituted Travel bans multiple times. During his campaign he called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." He also reportedly said "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here? Why do we want these people from all these shithole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway.” His advisors and and multiple national Republican politicians have said they are afraid that White birth rates are lower than immigrant birth rates. >The USA still continues its green card lottery system which gives out many free slots every year. Very few countries come anywhere close to matching the immigration strength or desire of the USA. Again this isn't from lack of trying. Trump isn't a dictator, there are limits to what he could accomplish in 4 years.

cambalache 6y ago

The world is big my friend, I dont live in America but I do know plenty of Americans. Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it.

learc83 6y ago
I'm sorry but you still have no idea what you're talking about. 'I know some Americans' doesn't cut it. Unless you've lived in Trump country for a while there's no way you've met enough hard core Trump supporting rednecks to make any kind of accurate generalization about them. >Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it. I live in one of the reddest states in the nation and come from a family full of those Alabama rednecks you talk about, and I voted Republican in every election before 2016. If you think I represent the liberal elite, you're dead wrong. Good luck trying to get along with the rednecks you're talking about. Most of them don't want you here, and if they had their preferred immigration policy you wouldn't be allowed in. Many of the family members I talked about wouldn't even allow you to marry a person outside your race, and they'd prefer if schools were still segregated. Though they'd never say that to an outsider's face. And the majority of them outright support requiring Muslims to register with the government so they can be tracked. This has nothing to do with the South btw, it's more of an urban rural divide.

manigandham 6y ago

I live in America, am a foreign-born naturalized US citizen, and I agree with them completely. Your comment is another example of the moral superiority and insults aimed at anyone who questions this soft-bigotry from the left. Ironically, living in America usually means you have no idea about the level of violence, racism and suffering around the world, and lack much of the perspective of immigrants who sacrifice so much to move here.

learc83 6y ago
live in a bright red state and the Alabama red necks make up a large percentage of my family. Believe me if you lived in a small town with them you’d change your mind about which type of racism you prefer pretty quickly. > Ironically, living in America usually means you have no idea about the level of violence, racism and suffering around the world, and lack much of the perspective of immigrants who sacrifice so much to move here. It’s interesting you bring that up because if you come from a “shit hole” country, you wouldn’t even be allowed to be here if those voters had their way.
- manigandham 6y ago
  There are almost 8 billion people in the world. Even if 1% are bad, that's 80 million people. You're definitely going to encounter some, but America has way better quality of life because of the strong mix of cultures that mitigate such problems. Some "rednecks" in a small town is not indicative of the entire country, nor would you rather live in another country where that's the national norm. The issue with immigration has been stopping illegal entry and ensuring the rest are valuable contributors to society. Nobody is stopped because of their national origin, nor has that ever been proposed. The USA still continues its green card lottery system which gives out many free slots every year. Very few countries come anywhere close to matching the immigration strength or desire of the USA.
  - learc83 6y ago
    > Some "rednecks" in a small town is not indicative of the entire country, Neither is some asshole liberal you ran into once. Nor is the caricature of "Liberal elites" you read about in the National Review. >nor would you rather live in another country where that's the national norm. Who said I'd rather live in another country. You seem to be having the argument you'd like to be having rather than actually participating in a conversation. >The issue with immigration policy has been stopping illegal entry and ensuring the rest are valuable contributors to society. I'm sorry but if you aren't considered part of the in group, White Trump supporters won't admit this to you, but as a group they are terrified by the demographic changes in the country. Fear that their culture is being erased is the primary impetus behind their call for decreased immigration. Law and order, and calling for a points base immigration system is simply more palatable than outright calling for only letting in Whites. >Nobody is stopped because of their national origin, nor has that ever been proposed. Trump has instituted Travel bans multiple times. During his campaign he called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." He also reportedly said "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here? Why do we want these people from all these shithole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway.” His advisors and and multiple national Republican politicians have said they are afraid that White birth rates are lower than immigrant birth rates. >The USA still continues its green card lottery system which gives out many free slots every year. Very few countries come anywhere close to matching the immigration strength or desire of the USA. Again this isn't from lack of trying. Trump isn't a dictator, there are limits to what he could accomplish in 4 years.