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As non-white person I find the average white liberal MORE racist than your stereotypical redneck/Trump Follower.The last one is in your face, but most of the ti

As non-white person I find the average white liberal MORE racist than your stereotypical redneck/Trump Follower.The last one is in your face, but most of the time the racism comes from ignorance or fear, cure them and you will go a long way to diminish it. The white liberal is way different, they see themselves basically as a superior person, the summit of human ethical achievement. They interject themselves into minority problems to show how much "they care" but 99% the acts are only to "virtue-signal", when push come to shove they will quickly align with any policy that makes their life easier, no matter the impact on the world. More insidiously, the supposed tolerance and open-mindeness are very quickly thrown out of the window once a minority sub-group fail to align to their worldview. See for example the vitriolic insults received by Cubans/Venezuelans in Florida just because they "dared" to vote for Trump. If I were to live in America, I think I would happier and more accepted among the "racist rednecks" in Idaho or Alabama that among the NY/SF liberal crowd.

learc83 6y ago
>If I were to live in America, I think I would happier and more accepted among the "racist rednecks" in Idaho or Alabama that among the NY/SF liberal crowd. Since you don’t live in America, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and you should stop talking like you do.
- cambalache 6y ago
  The world is big my friend, I dont live in America but I do know plenty of Americans. Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it.
  - learc83 6y ago
    I'm sorry but you still have no idea what you're talking about. 'I know some Americans' doesn't cut it. Unless you've lived in Trump country for a while there's no way you've met enough hard core Trump supporting rednecks to make any kind of accurate generalization about them. >Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it. I live in one of the reddest states in the nation and come from a family full of those Alabama rednecks you talk about, and I voted Republican in every election before 2016. If you think I represent the liberal elite, you're dead wrong. Good luck trying to get along with the rednecks you're talking about. Most of them don't want you here, and if they had their preferred immigration policy you wouldn't be allowed in. Many of the family members I talked about wouldn't even allow you to marry a person outside your race, and they'd prefer if schools were still segregated. Though they'd never say that to an outsider's face. And the majority of them outright support requiring Muslims to register with the government so they can be tracked. This has nothing to do with the South btw, it's more of an urban rural divide.
- manigandham 6y ago
  I live in America, am a foreign-born naturalized US citizen, and I agree with them completely. Your comment is another example of the moral superiority and insults aimed at anyone who questions this soft-bigotry from the left. Ironically, living in America usually means you have no idea about the level of violence, racism and suffering around the world, and lack much of the perspective of immigrants who sacrifice so much to move here.
  - learc83 6y ago
    live in a bright red state and the Alabama red necks make up a large percentage of my family. Believe me if you lived in a small town with them you’d change your mind about which type of racism you prefer pretty quickly. > Ironically, living in America usually means you have no idea about the level of violence, racism and suffering around the world, and lack much of the perspective of immigrants who sacrifice so much to move here. It’s interesting you bring that up because if you come from a “shit hole” country, you wouldn’t even be allowed to be here if those voters had their way.
    - manigandham 6y ago
      There are almost 8 billion people in the world. Even if 1% are bad, that's 80 million people. You're definitely going to encounter some, but America has way better quality of life because of the strong mix of cultures that mitigate such problems. Some "rednecks" in a small town is not indicative of the entire country, nor would you rather live in another country where that's the national norm. The issue with immigration has been stopping illegal entry and ensuring the rest are valuable contributors to society. Nobody is stopped because of their national origin, nor has that ever been proposed. The USA still continues its green card lottery system which gives out many free slots every year. Very few countries come anywhere close to matching the immigration strength or desire of the USA.
      - learc83 6y ago
        > Some "rednecks" in a small town is not indicative of the entire country, Neither is some asshole liberal you ran into once. Nor is the caricature of "Liberal elites" you read about in the National Review. >nor would you rather live in another country where that's the national norm. Who said I'd rather live in another country. You seem to be having the argument you'd like to be having rather than actually participating in a conversation. >The issue with immigration policy has been stopping illegal entry and ensuring the rest are valuable contributors to society. I'm sorry but if you aren't considered part of the in group, White Trump supporters won't admit this to you, but as a group they are terrified by the demographic changes in the country. Fear that their culture is being erased is the primary impetus behind their call for decreased immigration. Law and order, and calling for a points base immigration system is simply more palatable than outright calling for only letting in Whites. >Nobody is stopped because of their national origin, nor has that ever been proposed. Trump has instituted Travel bans multiple times. During his campaign he called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." He also reportedly said "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here? Why do we want these people from all these shithole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway.” His advisors and and multiple national Republican politicians have said they are afraid that White birth rates are lower than immigrant birth rates. >The USA still continues its green card lottery system which gives out many free slots every year. Very few countries come anywhere close to matching the immigration strength or desire of the USA. Again this isn't from lack of trying. Trump isn't a dictator, there are limits to what he could accomplish in 4 years.
sfblah 6y ago
Thank you for saying this.
tigershark 6y ago
No, you wouldn’t and it would be extremely clear. Reality is not changing because of anyone wishful thinking. I sincerely hope that you would never live in such environment, you may regret very very much your view. Maybe you are not aware, but to me it looks like that you are similar to a turkey hoping for thanksgiving. Actually you remind me of that black guy that was critical about BLM and was adamant that he never had any problem with the police because he respected the law. He was shot and killed by the police: https://www.newsweek.com/jonathan-price-defended-cops-facebook-1536400?amp=1 https://www.newsweek.com/jonathan-price-defended-cops-facebo... . If I were you I would be very careful about what you wish for, you’ll never know, maybe at some point your wish will be granted sadly.
refurb 6y ago
Instead of the “white man’s burden” it’s now the “white liberals burden” to save all these brown people who don’t know enough to save themselves. There was an article a few days ago that claimed Trump’s increase in minority support was because the minorities were racist too. I mean, that’s just lazy thinking.
- tidbits 6y ago
  Except it's not... I grew up in a lower middle class, majority hispanic town in California and the racism towards black people and even their own race is very prevalent. Unsurprisingly, we had a few trump caravans drive through our town in the past few months.
  - refurb 6y ago
    Assuming that the reason people hold other opinions that differ from yours is because they are bad people, is just lazy thinking.
tidbits 6y ago
As a non-white person that actually lives in the US, this couldn't be further from the truth. You're comparing the ideologically extreme liberal to the moderate conservative. I've visited enough states and experienced enough racism to know that it isn't a matter of "curing their fear". But sure, keep making the same baseless claims that far right leaning media make.
- cambalache 6y ago
  The simple fact that a comment made you compare me to "the far right leaning media" (Which one is that btw?, even Fox went extremely anti-Trump) says a lot about your tolerance. Ahi nos vemos mijo.
- manigandham 6y ago
  As a non-white person that also actually lives in the US, your comment couldn't be further from the truth. America, the land of opportunity, is an incredible place for all cultures, and the best of its kind in the world. If you're looking for utopia, you won't find it anywhere, but this is nowhere near the hell you claim it to be. I would advise you experience what racism really is like when it's the entire nation and government like in the Middle East or even countries like Japan. Maybe that perspective would help.
  - learc83 6y ago
    >America, the land of opportunity, is an incredible place for all cultures, and the best of its kind in the world. If you're looking for utopia, you won't find it anywhere, but this is nowhere near the hell you claim it to be. I would advise you experience what racism really is like when it's the entire nation and government like in the Middle East or even countries like Japan. Maybe that perspective would help. Stop trying argue with strawmen. No one is saying that America is more racist than the middle east. It is in fact possible to be less racist than Saudi Arabia and still have racist elements. The context of this discussion is about comparative racism between different segments of the American population. It has nothing to do with America's international position on the racism scale.

learc83 6y ago

>If I were to live in America, I think I would happier and more accepted among the "racist rednecks" in Idaho or Alabama that among the NY/SF liberal crowd. Since you don’t live in America, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and you should stop talking like you do.

cambalache 6y ago
The world is big my friend, I dont live in America but I do know plenty of Americans. Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it.
- learc83 6y ago
  I'm sorry but you still have no idea what you're talking about. 'I know some Americans' doesn't cut it. Unless you've lived in Trump country for a while there's no way you've met enough hard core Trump supporting rednecks to make any kind of accurate generalization about them. >Your comment reinforce my point instead of refuting it. I live in one of the reddest states in the nation and come from a family full of those Alabama rednecks you talk about, and I voted Republican in every election before 2016. If you think I represent the liberal elite, you're dead wrong. Good luck trying to get along with the rednecks you're talking about. Most of them don't want you here, and if they had their preferred immigration policy you wouldn't be allowed in. Many of the family members I talked about wouldn't even allow you to marry a person outside your race, and they'd prefer if schools were still segregated. Though they'd never say that to an outsider's face. And the majority of them outright support requiring Muslims to register with the government so they can be tracked. This has nothing to do with the South btw, it's more of an urban rural divide.
manigandham 6y ago
I live in America, am a foreign-born naturalized US citizen, and I agree with them completely. Your comment is another example of the moral superiority and insults aimed at anyone who questions this soft-bigotry from the left. Ironically, living in America usually means you have no idea about the level of violence, racism and suffering around the world, and lack much of the perspective of immigrants who sacrifice so much to move here.
- learc83 6y ago
  live in a bright red state and the Alabama red necks make up a large percentage of my family. Believe me if you lived in a small town with them you’d change your mind about which type of racism you prefer pretty quickly. > Ironically, living in America usually means you have no idea about the level of violence, racism and suffering around the world, and lack much of the perspective of immigrants who sacrifice so much to move here. It’s interesting you bring that up because if you come from a “shit hole” country, you wouldn’t even be allowed to be here if those voters had their way.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    There are almost 8 billion people in the world. Even if 1% are bad, that's 80 million people. You're definitely going to encounter some, but America has way better quality of life because of the strong mix of cultures that mitigate such problems. Some "rednecks" in a small town is not indicative of the entire country, nor would you rather live in another country where that's the national norm. The issue with immigration has been stopping illegal entry and ensuring the rest are valuable contributors to society. Nobody is stopped because of their national origin, nor has that ever been proposed. The USA still continues its green card lottery system which gives out many free slots every year. Very few countries come anywhere close to matching the immigration strength or desire of the USA.
    - learc83 6y ago
      > Some "rednecks" in a small town is not indicative of the entire country, Neither is some asshole liberal you ran into once. Nor is the caricature of "Liberal elites" you read about in the National Review. >nor would you rather live in another country where that's the national norm. Who said I'd rather live in another country. You seem to be having the argument you'd like to be having rather than actually participating in a conversation. >The issue with immigration policy has been stopping illegal entry and ensuring the rest are valuable contributors to society. I'm sorry but if you aren't considered part of the in group, White Trump supporters won't admit this to you, but as a group they are terrified by the demographic changes in the country. Fear that their culture is being erased is the primary impetus behind their call for decreased immigration. Law and order, and calling for a points base immigration system is simply more palatable than outright calling for only letting in Whites. >Nobody is stopped because of their national origin, nor has that ever been proposed. Trump has instituted Travel bans multiple times. During his campaign he called for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." He also reportedly said "Haiti? Why do we want people from Haiti here? Why do we want these people from all these shithole countries here? We should have more people from places like Norway.” His advisors and and multiple national Republican politicians have said they are afraid that White birth rates are lower than immigrant birth rates. >The USA still continues its green card lottery system which gives out many free slots every year. Very few countries come anywhere close to matching the immigration strength or desire of the USA. Again this isn't from lack of trying. Trump isn't a dictator, there are limits to what he could accomplish in 4 years.

sfblah 6y ago

Thank you for saying this.

tigershark 6y ago

No, you wouldn’t and it would be extremely clear. Reality is not changing because of anyone wishful thinking. I sincerely hope that you would never live in such environment, you may regret very very much your view. Maybe you are not aware, but to me it looks like that you are similar to a turkey hoping for thanksgiving. Actually you remind me of that black guy that was critical about BLM and was adamant that he never had any problem with the police because he respected the law. He was shot and killed by the police: https://www.newsweek.com/jonathan-price-defended-cops-facebook-1536400?amp=1 https://www.newsweek.com/jonathan-price-defended-cops-facebo... . If I were you I would be very careful about what you wish for, you’ll never know, maybe at some point your wish will be granted sadly.

refurb 6y ago

Instead of the “white man’s burden” it’s now the “white liberals burden” to save all these brown people who don’t know enough to save themselves. There was an article a few days ago that claimed Trump’s increase in minority support was because the minorities were racist too. I mean, that’s just lazy thinking.

tidbits 6y ago
Except it's not... I grew up in a lower middle class, majority hispanic town in California and the racism towards black people and even their own race is very prevalent. Unsurprisingly, we had a few trump caravans drive through our town in the past few months.
- refurb 6y ago
  Assuming that the reason people hold other opinions that differ from yours is because they are bad people, is just lazy thinking.

tidbits 6y ago

As a non-white person that actually lives in the US, this couldn't be further from the truth. You're comparing the ideologically extreme liberal to the moderate conservative. I've visited enough states and experienced enough racism to know that it isn't a matter of "curing their fear". But sure, keep making the same baseless claims that far right leaning media make.

cambalache 6y ago
The simple fact that a comment made you compare me to "the far right leaning media" (Which one is that btw?, even Fox went extremely anti-Trump) says a lot about your tolerance. Ahi nos vemos mijo.
manigandham 6y ago
As a non-white person that also actually lives in the US, your comment couldn't be further from the truth. America, the land of opportunity, is an incredible place for all cultures, and the best of its kind in the world. If you're looking for utopia, you won't find it anywhere, but this is nowhere near the hell you claim it to be. I would advise you experience what racism really is like when it's the entire nation and government like in the Middle East or even countries like Japan. Maybe that perspective would help.
- learc83 6y ago
  >America, the land of opportunity, is an incredible place for all cultures, and the best of its kind in the world. If you're looking for utopia, you won't find it anywhere, but this is nowhere near the hell you claim it to be. I would advise you experience what racism really is like when it's the entire nation and government like in the Middle East or even countries like Japan. Maybe that perspective would help. Stop trying argue with strawmen. No one is saying that America is more racist than the middle east. It is in fact possible to be less racist than Saudi Arabia and still have racist elements. The context of this discussion is about comparative racism between different segments of the American population. It has nothing to do with America's international position on the racism scale.