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The leader of the proud boys is black.

epistasis 6y ago
I have no idea if that is true or not, but it is irrelevant because it is quite possible for black people to be racist and also to take part in anti-black racism.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  The proud boys leaders name is Enrique Tario, he's afro-hispanic I believe. Regardless, the proud boys appear to be a multiracial group of Western chauvinists, believing that Western ideas and culture are superior. Progressives seem to believe that Western = white, and that is how they make the leap to white supremacy in this context. Whether Western is about ideas vs skin color isn't a debate I'm interested in, just wanted to provide context.
  - zjs 6y ago
    > Progressives seem to believe that Western = white, and that is how they make the leap to white supremacy in this context. I'll note that my comment did not directly link proud boys to "white supremacy". Instead, I (and the comment I replied to) used "right-wing extremists". I think that's an accurate description that does not require an assumption that "Western = white".
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      I agree that's what you said. Conversely, Trump was asked about them specifically in the context of white supremacy. For anyone curious about their beliefs: https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/ https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/ Minimal Government Maximum Freedom Anti-Political Correctness Anti-Drug War Closed Borders Anti-Racial Guilt Anti-Racism Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment) Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment) Glorifying the Entrepreneur Venerating the Housewife Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism
- shard972 6y ago
  It also makes me completely disregard you opinion on the subject when you have no idea who the leader of a group is your talking about and your respoonse is: "well its technically possible" Sure, anything is technically possible but its now upto people like yourself to explain how a black man is in fact in charge of the premier white supremacist organization in america because you otherwise sound completely unhinged at best an at worst spreading outright lies.
Kaze404 6y ago
I have seen my fair share of brown neo nazis down here in Brazil, so I don't believe that's relevant.
zjs 6y ago
Please say more about the point you're making. On the surface, it's not clear how it relates to anything I said in the comment to which you've replied.

I have no idea if that is true or not, but it is irrelevant because it is quite possible for black people to be racist and also to take part in anti-black racism.

Consultant32452 6y ago
The proud boys leaders name is Enrique Tario, he's afro-hispanic I believe. Regardless, the proud boys appear to be a multiracial group of Western chauvinists, believing that Western ideas and culture are superior. Progressives seem to believe that Western = white, and that is how they make the leap to white supremacy in this context. Whether Western is about ideas vs skin color isn't a debate I'm interested in, just wanted to provide context.
- zjs 6y ago
  > Progressives seem to believe that Western = white, and that is how they make the leap to white supremacy in this context. I'll note that my comment did not directly link proud boys to "white supremacy". Instead, I (and the comment I replied to) used "right-wing extremists". I think that's an accurate description that does not require an assumption that "Western = white".
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    I agree that's what you said. Conversely, Trump was asked about them specifically in the context of white supremacy. For anyone curious about their beliefs: https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/ https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/ Minimal Government Maximum Freedom Anti-Political Correctness Anti-Drug War Closed Borders Anti-Racial Guilt Anti-Racism Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment) Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment) Glorifying the Entrepreneur Venerating the Housewife Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism
shard972 6y ago
It also makes me completely disregard you opinion on the subject when you have no idea who the leader of a group is your talking about and your respoonse is: "well its technically possible" Sure, anything is technically possible but its now upto people like yourself to explain how a black man is in fact in charge of the premier white supremacist organization in america because you otherwise sound completely unhinged at best an at worst spreading outright lies.

Kaze404 6y ago

I have seen my fair share of brown neo nazis down here in Brazil, so I don't believe that's relevant.

zjs 6y ago

Please say more about the point you're making. On the surface, it's not clear how it relates to anything I said in the comment to which you've replied.