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And a fetus is a human life. A person does not get redefined based on their location. What science is there that defends the right to an abortion?

tayo42 6y ago
Why do you feel a fetus is a human life? What does location have to do with it? A fetus isn't viable until week 20ish. Even then it won't survive outside the mothers body. 1% of abortions happen after week 20. About 90% of abortions happen before week 13. It's not even a fetus at this point. The body it self might abort still at this point, this is when mis carriages happen. Why do you feel an unviable collection of cells is a human?
- combatentropy 6y ago
  > Why do you feel a fetus is a human life? Because it is human, and it is alive. It is human, in the sense that it is descended from humans and is not dog or a dandelion or a caterpillar. It has human genetic code. It is one continuous line from the merge of two human sex cells to full-grown human. There is no jump, somewhere along the way, from not human to human. It is alive. A plant is alive, so surely so is a fetus. > A fetus isn't viable until week 20ish. Whether it is viable doesn't determine whether it is human or alive. A two-year-old outside the womb isn't very viable either. In fact, some 20-year-olds aren't very viable. Viability is shaky ground upon which to base legal protection. Just think of the handicapped or those with other chronic maladies. Or any of us can become unviable temporarily through some accident or acute illness. Does our right to life disappear? > Why do you feel an unviable collection of cells is a human A "collection of cells" does not describe a fetus any better than an adult. - At about 18 days, there is a heartbeat - At about 40 days, there is brain activity - By the end of the first trimester, it has all its organs. It just needs to grow. "Photography of the human fetus developing in the womb": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD1gW88Lm-Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD1gW88Lm-Y > What does location have to do with it? Inside the womb or outside the womb, its location seems to be the dimension used by those who say abortion is okay.
  - tayo42 6y ago
    That's not what a human is. These things have names, zygotes, embryos, fetus. None of these are living humans yet. They're pre humans. collection of cells without an identity or awareness. Simplest of brain function where they might only respond to stimulus. The difference between fetus and infants is the first is still attached to its mother. Its continued growth depends on its attachment to mother. Similar to a tumor. I don't think you actually understand what you are talking about if you are confused about the term viability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability Your link to photos means you are forming your opinion based off emotion and not understanding the difference between cells splitting, and what a independent human is. At what point do you think the sperm and egg are human? Even the first split after they join is still just two cells. What proof do you have that says a fetus at 16 weeks is alive? How are you defining alive? > it has all its organs. It just needs to grow. This is still dependent on the mother, it is not its own thing at this point.
    - combatentropy 6y ago
      > That's not what a human is. These things have names, zygotes, embryos, fetus. Yes, and they are all human, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/human https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/human > None of these are living humans yet. They're pre humans. Citation needed. > without an identity or awareness That is pretty easily disproven scientifically. Not even a biologist who is for legal abortion would say that a baby in the womb is unaware. There was an ultrasound a long time ago where you see the fetus recoil from the abortionist's knife. Of course it's aware. Just because it can't see the outside world yet doesn't mean it's unaware. As far as identity, well, it has a unique fingerprint, DNA, etc. Are you saying you don't have an identity until there's a birth certificate? > At what point do you think the sperm and egg are human? Well, they are human from inception (see above). But they are a separate human being at conception. > What proof do you have that says a fetus at 16 weeks is alive? How are you defining alive? Even a single cell is alive. You have drifted from textbook science at this point. > This is still dependent on the mother Dependence doesn't disqualify you from being human or alive.

tayo42 6y ago

Why do you feel a fetus is a human life? What does location have to do with it? A fetus isn't viable until week 20ish. Even then it won't survive outside the mothers body. 1% of abortions happen after week 20. About 90% of abortions happen before week 13. It's not even a fetus at this point. The body it self might abort still at this point, this is when mis carriages happen. Why do you feel an unviable collection of cells is a human?

combatentropy 6y ago
> Why do you feel a fetus is a human life? Because it is human, and it is alive. It is human, in the sense that it is descended from humans and is not dog or a dandelion or a caterpillar. It has human genetic code. It is one continuous line from the merge of two human sex cells to full-grown human. There is no jump, somewhere along the way, from not human to human. It is alive. A plant is alive, so surely so is a fetus. > A fetus isn't viable until week 20ish. Whether it is viable doesn't determine whether it is human or alive. A two-year-old outside the womb isn't very viable either. In fact, some 20-year-olds aren't very viable. Viability is shaky ground upon which to base legal protection. Just think of the handicapped or those with other chronic maladies. Or any of us can become unviable temporarily through some accident or acute illness. Does our right to life disappear? > Why do you feel an unviable collection of cells is a human A "collection of cells" does not describe a fetus any better than an adult. - At about 18 days, there is a heartbeat - At about 40 days, there is brain activity - By the end of the first trimester, it has all its organs. It just needs to grow. "Photography of the human fetus developing in the womb": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD1gW88Lm-Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD1gW88Lm-Y > What does location have to do with it? Inside the womb or outside the womb, its location seems to be the dimension used by those who say abortion is okay.
- tayo42 6y ago
  That's not what a human is. These things have names, zygotes, embryos, fetus. None of these are living humans yet. They're pre humans. collection of cells without an identity or awareness. Simplest of brain function where they might only respond to stimulus. The difference between fetus and infants is the first is still attached to its mother. Its continued growth depends on its attachment to mother. Similar to a tumor. I don't think you actually understand what you are talking about if you are confused about the term viability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability Your link to photos means you are forming your opinion based off emotion and not understanding the difference between cells splitting, and what a independent human is. At what point do you think the sperm and egg are human? Even the first split after they join is still just two cells. What proof do you have that says a fetus at 16 weeks is alive? How are you defining alive? > it has all its organs. It just needs to grow. This is still dependent on the mother, it is not its own thing at this point.
  - combatentropy 6y ago
    > That's not what a human is. These things have names, zygotes, embryos, fetus. Yes, and they are all human, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/human https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/human > None of these are living humans yet. They're pre humans. Citation needed. > without an identity or awareness That is pretty easily disproven scientifically. Not even a biologist who is for legal abortion would say that a baby in the womb is unaware. There was an ultrasound a long time ago where you see the fetus recoil from the abortionist's knife. Of course it's aware. Just because it can't see the outside world yet doesn't mean it's unaware. As far as identity, well, it has a unique fingerprint, DNA, etc. Are you saying you don't have an identity until there's a birth certificate? > At what point do you think the sperm and egg are human? Well, they are human from inception (see above). But they are a separate human being at conception. > What proof do you have that says a fetus at 16 weeks is alive? How are you defining alive? Even a single cell is alive. You have drifted from textbook science at this point. > This is still dependent on the mother Dependence doesn't disqualify you from being human or alive.