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No he didn’t. This is a lie allowed to continue unabated and it’s done an incredible amount of damage to just simple civil dialogue in this country.

tbwriting 6y ago
Nah, he did. Matter of public record.
- mcfly1985 6y ago
  Get fucked faggot.
- spaginal 6y ago
  He didn’t. Any person honest with themselves will admit to this. I lean more conservative and had my own issues with Trump and his presidency, but I looked at his policy, words, and his actions. I still voted for him because I felt he aligned with the policies I wanted to move towards. Falling into such a blatant lie about his racism though exposes any person that keeps repeating it as intellectually weak, easily manipulated, and wholly dishonest. Frankly, I’m disappointed to see it repeated and upvoted on Hacker News. I come here to see intellectual comments and discussion, not low brow Twitter and Reddit garbage.
  - cutemonster 6y ago
    Why do you think he didn't? Is it that you didn't see that interview with him, and you cannot believe he'd say such things? Personally I listened to when he said "stand back, stand by".
    - 8note 6y ago
      I'm no trump fam, but I think he's too dumb to notice the subtlety on those words It's just more inane rambling
      - dillondoyle 6y ago
        he does ramble a lot. but it's way past the point of subtlety good people on both sides? STIll saying the Central Park Five are guilty - originally paying to advocate the death penalty? Being the #1 pusher of Obama birther-ism? and so so so much more here is just one list of the worse: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-r...
  - mrlala 6y ago
    >but I looked at his policy, words, and his actions. I still voted for him because I felt he aligned with the policies I wanted to move towards. You mean like actively refusing and convincing ~half the country NOT to wear masks? Even though the worst case scenario is.. you are wearing the mask and it doesn't help? Trump himself said he thinks wearing a mask looks weak. And that's why he didn't want to do it. So, instead of being a LEADER and leading by example- wearing a mask. He made it into a political issue because he thinks people looks weak doing it. And has no doubt cost peoples lives by CONVINCING others not to wear masks. To this day (in his recent rallies) it's the same damn thing. I mean, I can go on and on about the CHARACTER of Trump, but let's leave it at one. You sound like someone who is like "eh I like his policies so he can act however the hell he wants and that's OK". THAT is what you and I can never agree on.
  - LordHumungous 6y ago
    This is basically the liberal version of "he won't condemn Islamic terrorism." Guilt by association.
zjs 6y ago
Which part of the statement are you disputing? That he didn't say "stand by"? That the proud boys aren't right-wing extremists? That the meaning of "stand by" was somehow misconstrued? For what it's worth, here's how the proud boys interpreted the comment: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/trump-proud-boys-biden.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/trump-proud-boys-biden...
- spaginal 6y ago
  It’s the constant moving of the goal posts and redefinitions. Is the argument that Trump is racist or right wing? They aren’t the same. You can argue Proud Boys are right wing if viewing it in relation to Antifa for instance, but they aren’t racists. They are pretty diverse as a group, they just may not hold your values. KKK and Neo Nazis are not right wing, but they are very racist. Both organizations are historically tied into the democrat party. It’s the constant conflating of the two that has twisted up people into pretzels and turned this argument into pure trash honestly. Trump is not going to align with your political values if you are left, but it doesn’t make him a racist.
  - qotgalaxy 6y ago
    You are a horrible person.
  - pfisch 6y ago
    He pardoned Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Who was specifically in jail for refusing to stop racially targeting minorities for police harassment. You can't pretend there isn't systemic racism, and that Trump isn't racist, when he is doing things like that. There is no other way to interpret that action.
    - YarickR2 6y ago
      There are many reasons for such actions, and many ways to interpret them, you just chose one(s) that suits your agenda.
      - 6y ago

tbwriting 6y ago

Nah, he did. Matter of public record.

mcfly1985 6y ago
Get fucked faggot.
spaginal 6y ago
He didn’t. Any person honest with themselves will admit to this. I lean more conservative and had my own issues with Trump and his presidency, but I looked at his policy, words, and his actions. I still voted for him because I felt he aligned with the policies I wanted to move towards. Falling into such a blatant lie about his racism though exposes any person that keeps repeating it as intellectually weak, easily manipulated, and wholly dishonest. Frankly, I’m disappointed to see it repeated and upvoted on Hacker News. I come here to see intellectual comments and discussion, not low brow Twitter and Reddit garbage.
- cutemonster 6y ago
  Why do you think he didn't? Is it that you didn't see that interview with him, and you cannot believe he'd say such things? Personally I listened to when he said "stand back, stand by".
  - 8note 6y ago
    I'm no trump fam, but I think he's too dumb to notice the subtlety on those words It's just more inane rambling
    - dillondoyle 6y ago
      he does ramble a lot. but it's way past the point of subtlety good people on both sides? STIll saying the Central Park Five are guilty - originally paying to advocate the death penalty? Being the #1 pusher of Obama birther-ism? and so so so much more here is just one list of the worse: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-r...
- mrlala 6y ago
  >but I looked at his policy, words, and his actions. I still voted for him because I felt he aligned with the policies I wanted to move towards. You mean like actively refusing and convincing ~half the country NOT to wear masks? Even though the worst case scenario is.. you are wearing the mask and it doesn't help? Trump himself said he thinks wearing a mask looks weak. And that's why he didn't want to do it. So, instead of being a LEADER and leading by example- wearing a mask. He made it into a political issue because he thinks people looks weak doing it. And has no doubt cost peoples lives by CONVINCING others not to wear masks. To this day (in his recent rallies) it's the same damn thing. I mean, I can go on and on about the CHARACTER of Trump, but let's leave it at one. You sound like someone who is like "eh I like his policies so he can act however the hell he wants and that's OK". THAT is what you and I can never agree on.
- LordHumungous 6y ago
  This is basically the liberal version of "he won't condemn Islamic terrorism." Guilt by association.

zjs 6y ago

Which part of the statement are you disputing? That he didn't say "stand by"? That the proud boys aren't right-wing extremists? That the meaning of "stand by" was somehow misconstrued? For what it's worth, here's how the proud boys interpreted the comment: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/trump-proud-boys-biden.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/29/us/trump-proud-boys-biden...

spaginal 6y ago
It’s the constant moving of the goal posts and redefinitions. Is the argument that Trump is racist or right wing? They aren’t the same. You can argue Proud Boys are right wing if viewing it in relation to Antifa for instance, but they aren’t racists. They are pretty diverse as a group, they just may not hold your values. KKK and Neo Nazis are not right wing, but they are very racist. Both organizations are historically tied into the democrat party. It’s the constant conflating of the two that has twisted up people into pretzels and turned this argument into pure trash honestly. Trump is not going to align with your political values if you are left, but it doesn’t make him a racist.
- qotgalaxy 6y ago
  You are a horrible person.
- pfisch 6y ago
  He pardoned Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Who was specifically in jail for refusing to stop racially targeting minorities for police harassment. You can't pretend there isn't systemic racism, and that Trump isn't racist, when he is doing things like that. There is no other way to interpret that action.
  - YarickR2 6y ago
    There are many reasons for such actions, and many ways to interpret them, you just chose one(s) that suits your agenda.
    - 6y ago