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Trump got more support this year among every demographic but one—white males. This opinion that Trump is a white supremacist, is just that... an opinion. Very

by jquery 6y ago

Trump got more support this year among every demographic but one—white males. This opinion that Trump is a white supremacist, is just that... an opinion. Very few of his supporters saw him as a white supremacist. Trump disavowed white supremacy many times. This is divisive language is something I’m glad to see Biden avoiding, so far.

hedora 6y ago
> Trump disavowed white supremacy many times. Source? (Preferably in the form of a video, since there is a lot of misinformation about this, and he explicitly espoused white supremacy on live TV during the first presidential debate of 2020.)
- in_a_society 6y ago
  https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-... The fact that the whole racist and white supremacist trope gets pushed around this much means that the media has been very effective at lying to entire populace. Think about what else they may have lied about.
  - rfw300 6y ago
    Ah yes, I must’ve been hearing things all those years ago when Trump called for a “complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the country”. Extremely non-racist thing to say. Get over yourself.
    - OCASM 6y ago
      Islam is a religion, not a race.
    - in_a_society 6y ago
      It was 7 counties identified by the previous admin as high risk. Lots of Muslims were still allowed to enter. I should know, I’m middle eastern myself.
  - hedora 6y ago
    I read your link carefully. He never actually condemns white nationalists. He agrees they should be condemned, but never actually condemns them. There is one exception: A press release he clearly did not write condemns white supremacy. Again, during the debates (after all the examples cited in that article), he again refused to condemn white supremacy, even when Fox’s Chris Wallace handed the opportunity as a soft ball, and even when Biden reduced it to a simple yes/no answer for him by naming a group to condemn. All he had to say is “I condemn the Proud Boys” (or any other group he could name). In the most visible public forum available to him, he chose not to do so, which is the same as condoning them all.
    - trumpaway 6y ago
      He does condemn them directly (several times), see the videos I linked above in reaction to your initial comment.
    - in_a_society 6y ago
      As Chris Wallace is asking him Trump says “sure” three times. He’s interrupting, which is unfortunate, but the goal posts on this have moved endlessly. I’ve never seen you, hedora, condemn white supremacy. Does that mean you support it? By the way, if you condemn it, I’m going to be the arbiter on whether you did it well enough or if you’re still tarnished in the court of public opinion. Honestly I expect more from HN than to fall into Kafkaesque arguments about these things but perhaps the problem lies within my own expectations.
- adingus 6y ago
  https://youtu.be/ihHyMOPQ55M https://youtu.be/ihHyMOPQ55M
- trumpaway 6y ago
  He disavowed white supremacists, KKK, Proud Boys, etc. several times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc (4:10 is him denouncing Proud Boys, for example) https://streamable.com/sr9o2s https://streamable.com/sr9o2s

by jquery 6y ago

hedora 6y ago

> Trump disavowed white supremacy many times. Source? (Preferably in the form of a video, since there is a lot of misinformation about this, and he explicitly espoused white supremacy on live TV during the first presidential debate of 2020.)

in_a_society 6y ago
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-... The fact that the whole racist and white supremacist trope gets pushed around this much means that the media has been very effective at lying to entire populace. Think about what else they may have lied about.
- rfw300 6y ago
  Ah yes, I must’ve been hearing things all those years ago when Trump called for a “complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the country”. Extremely non-racist thing to say. Get over yourself.
  - OCASM 6y ago
    Islam is a religion, not a race.
  - in_a_society 6y ago
    It was 7 counties identified by the previous admin as high risk. Lots of Muslims were still allowed to enter. I should know, I’m middle eastern myself.
- hedora 6y ago
  I read your link carefully. He never actually condemns white nationalists. He agrees they should be condemned, but never actually condemns them. There is one exception: A press release he clearly did not write condemns white supremacy. Again, during the debates (after all the examples cited in that article), he again refused to condemn white supremacy, even when Fox’s Chris Wallace handed the opportunity as a soft ball, and even when Biden reduced it to a simple yes/no answer for him by naming a group to condemn. All he had to say is “I condemn the Proud Boys” (or any other group he could name). In the most visible public forum available to him, he chose not to do so, which is the same as condoning them all.
  - trumpaway 6y ago
    He does condemn them directly (several times), see the videos I linked above in reaction to your initial comment.
  - in_a_society 6y ago
    As Chris Wallace is asking him Trump says “sure” three times. He’s interrupting, which is unfortunate, but the goal posts on this have moved endlessly. I’ve never seen you, hedora, condemn white supremacy. Does that mean you support it? By the way, if you condemn it, I’m going to be the arbiter on whether you did it well enough or if you’re still tarnished in the court of public opinion. Honestly I expect more from HN than to fall into Kafkaesque arguments about these things but perhaps the problem lies within my own expectations.
adingus 6y ago
https://youtu.be/ihHyMOPQ55M https://youtu.be/ihHyMOPQ55M
trumpaway 6y ago
He disavowed white supremacists, KKK, Proud Boys, etc. several times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc (4:10 is him denouncing Proud Boys, for example) https://streamable.com/sr9o2s https://streamable.com/sr9o2s