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When vote counts suddenly stop and then overnight the opponent starts surging, people tend to assume foul play is at hand. This is how it happens everywhere whe

When vote counts suddenly stop and then overnight the opponent starts surging, people tend to assume foul play is at hand. This is how it happens everywhere where an actual authoritarian cheats to stay in power, for instance: https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1186630753523818502 https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1186630753523818502. For you to not understand something like this is grounds for people to question the validity of elections all over the world means that you don't understand much about the world, let alone what's happening in your own country. And I speak about this as a non-American who's simply watching it. You're being brainwashed by your media into believing things that aren't true.

shadowgovt 6y ago
The vote count turn is unsurprising since the in-person ballots could be quickly tallied while the mail-in ballots had to be hand-counted. The reason the two types of balloting had such a difference in party-support is that the President in the Republican party had been telling his supporters not to use mail-in balloting because it would be rife with fraud. People took him at his word on that side of the political divide, so there's a resulting bias in the likely candidate supported by the mail-in ballots.
- lol2143651 6y ago
  Hand counted, in the middle of the night, with no poll watchers around...
  - mapme 6y ago
    The PA, WI, MI GOP state legislatures refused to process mail in ballots before hand which is why it took so long. Look at Florida who voted R and counted their mail in ballots before Election Day and were able to report results that night. It was manufactured by GOP state legislatures to sow doubt. Sources: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-counties-election-mail-in-ballot-results.amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsy... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/29/heres-why-pennsylvania-ballots-will-take-so-long-to-count-and-how-trump-could-challenge-the-result/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk... https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931136905/we-ll-be-working-24-hours-vote-counting-to-continue-through-the-week https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931136905/we-ll-be-working-24...
    - MertsA 6y ago
      Also worth pointing out that in the case of Florida the exact opposite happened and the original count was Biden winning handily but as the panhandle started being added the election swung the other way to Trump. It's not like the big shift in results was unexpected, as soon as the results for Miami-Dade came in even though Biden had a large lead the NY Times election needle immediately swung hard to Trump because they knew the lead would be wiped out by in person voting. Funny how Trump isn't complaining about the exact same thing happening when it winds up helping him.
  - mapme 6y ago
    Additionally poll watchers were involved in the entire process, if you read what the Trump campaign lawyers said in court https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fact-check-trumps-claims-poll-watchers/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fact-c...
- adnzzzzZ 6y ago
  There's a reason why countries like France and many others have banned mail-in ballots. When those ballots keep being found day after day and the vote counting keeps going and going without end, until the right candidate wins, people will say its fraudulent. There's nothing you can say or do about it because that's just how it will go. You should want to prevent the voting process from looking fraudulent at all. There should be no doubts about it. The only thing you can do to achieve that is preventing that kind of voting from taking place to great degrees in the first place, which I believe Trump wanted to do but his opponents didn't.
  - hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
    > When those ballots keep being found day after day and the vote counting keeps going and going without end, until the right candidate wins, people will say its fraudulent. This is not what is happening, and if anything, in Pennsylvania in particular, the Republican legislature is responsible for this situation. PA is one of only a few states that does not allow processing mailed ballots until election day (i.e. they can't even open the envelopes). The Democratic governor asked to change the law to allow counting of ballots before election day, precisely so you wouldn't get into this situation, and the Republican legislature refused.
    - adnzzzzZ 6y ago
      When I say "the right candidate" I don't mean Biden specifically. If Trump now suddenly starts overtaking in multiple states with the ballots that are still being counted, people opposed to him will also find it suspicious and be unhappy with those results. The overall point is that this kind of voting shouldn't be allowed to this degree in the first place because it only generates doubt no matter who wins. As for the PA situation, yes, that's true, but the process I described is happening or happened in multiple states, not just there.
      - salawat 6y ago
        This. I'm more alarmed and afraid that investigation into all of the allegations his campaign is bringing up will be handled lightly or handwaved as a waste of time, where nothing less than a full blown addressing and running down of every accusation should be done. I don't care who wins in the end. I care that the processes integrity is maintained at all cost. Doubt with regards to the voting process is not something any Republic can afford.
vehementi 6y ago
Everyone knew for months ahead that this is how the votes would play out in those particular states. Nothing strange happened.

shadowgovt 6y ago

The vote count turn is unsurprising since the in-person ballots could be quickly tallied while the mail-in ballots had to be hand-counted. The reason the two types of balloting had such a difference in party-support is that the President in the Republican party had been telling his supporters not to use mail-in balloting because it would be rife with fraud. People took him at his word on that side of the political divide, so there's a resulting bias in the likely candidate supported by the mail-in ballots.

lol2143651 6y ago
Hand counted, in the middle of the night, with no poll watchers around...
- mapme 6y ago
  The PA, WI, MI GOP state legislatures refused to process mail in ballots before hand which is why it took so long. Look at Florida who voted R and counted their mail in ballots before Election Day and were able to report results that night. It was manufactured by GOP state legislatures to sow doubt. Sources: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-counties-election-mail-in-ballot-results.amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsy... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/10/29/heres-why-pennsylvania-ballots-will-take-so-long-to-count-and-how-trump-could-challenge-the-result/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk... https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931136905/we-ll-be-working-24-hours-vote-counting-to-continue-through-the-week https://www.npr.org/2020/11/04/931136905/we-ll-be-working-24...
  - MertsA 6y ago
    Also worth pointing out that in the case of Florida the exact opposite happened and the original count was Biden winning handily but as the panhandle started being added the election swung the other way to Trump. It's not like the big shift in results was unexpected, as soon as the results for Miami-Dade came in even though Biden had a large lead the NY Times election needle immediately swung hard to Trump because they knew the lead would be wiped out by in person voting. Funny how Trump isn't complaining about the exact same thing happening when it winds up helping him.
- mapme 6y ago
  Additionally poll watchers were involved in the entire process, if you read what the Trump campaign lawyers said in court https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fact-check-trumps-claims-poll-watchers/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fact-c...
adnzzzzZ 6y ago
There's a reason why countries like France and many others have banned mail-in ballots. When those ballots keep being found day after day and the vote counting keeps going and going without end, until the right candidate wins, people will say its fraudulent. There's nothing you can say or do about it because that's just how it will go. You should want to prevent the voting process from looking fraudulent at all. There should be no doubts about it. The only thing you can do to achieve that is preventing that kind of voting from taking place to great degrees in the first place, which I believe Trump wanted to do but his opponents didn't.
- hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
  > When those ballots keep being found day after day and the vote counting keeps going and going without end, until the right candidate wins, people will say its fraudulent. This is not what is happening, and if anything, in Pennsylvania in particular, the Republican legislature is responsible for this situation. PA is one of only a few states that does not allow processing mailed ballots until election day (i.e. they can't even open the envelopes). The Democratic governor asked to change the law to allow counting of ballots before election day, precisely so you wouldn't get into this situation, and the Republican legislature refused.
  - adnzzzzZ 6y ago
    When I say "the right candidate" I don't mean Biden specifically. If Trump now suddenly starts overtaking in multiple states with the ballots that are still being counted, people opposed to him will also find it suspicious and be unhappy with those results. The overall point is that this kind of voting shouldn't be allowed to this degree in the first place because it only generates doubt no matter who wins. As for the PA situation, yes, that's true, but the process I described is happening or happened in multiple states, not just there.
    - salawat 6y ago
      This. I'm more alarmed and afraid that investigation into all of the allegations his campaign is bringing up will be handled lightly or handwaved as a waste of time, where nothing less than a full blown addressing and running down of every accusation should be done. I don't care who wins in the end. I care that the processes integrity is maintained at all cost. Doubt with regards to the voting process is not something any Republic can afford.

vehementi 6y ago

Everyone knew for months ahead that this is how the votes would play out in those particular states. Nothing strange happened.