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OOPs was suppose to help with the issue of programming lock in but for the most part it has not advanced to the point where you can interchange program pieces.

OOPs was suppose to help with the issue of programming lock in but for the most part it has not advanced to the point where you can interchange program pieces. I think we need to go back to the idea that software can be like building a building where there are basic building blocks that can be purchased from many vendors and let each vendor decide how to improve the blocks and let the architects and engineers decide what blocks to use. Creating software from lines of code is too slow and ultimately it leads to lock in and inability to upgrade. People think that it will lead to a slow down in technological advancement but at the moment we aren't really advancing. We keep on changing programming languages with out much advancement in the ultimate result. It's change for the sake of change leading no where. If you look at advancements in society you will see that once defined standards are put in place then technology moves forward.

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
> we need to go back to the idea that software can be like building a building where there are basic building blocks that can be purchased from many vendors and let each vendor decide how to improve the blocks and let the architects and engineers decide what blocks to use Isn't that just libraries and APIs? There's friction when interfaces aren't standardized, but it's certainly a good deal of the way there.
- WheelsAtLarge 6y ago
  Yes, very true, they are a big step forward but standardization is the real key to innovation. It lets society focus its limited resources as oppose to going all over the place looking for a way forward.
  - valenterry 6y ago
    That's true - but standardization comes at a cost. If the standard is not good or not good enough (even after some time later) then it hinders progress. That's why even easy to standarise things such AC powercables are changed by some companies (Apple, OnePlus) to improve charging speed, because the standard isn't sufficient.
jcelerier 6y ago
> but for the most part it has not advanced to the point where you can interchange program piece Hasn't it ? I have no trouble e.g. replacing a hash map or container by another implementation in C++. We live in an era where we have libraries for everything and it takes seconds (okay, sometimes minutes) to introduce them in a codebase and swap them. What more do you want ?
- mmphosis 6y ago
  C++ libraries are baked in, broken, or missing. C++ class hierarchies are not objects. To me, objects are like biological cells that can poly-transform and communicate on the fly. Both libraries and class hierarchies are not just jails, but dependency hells. Want and more are problems. What do we need? Everything including functions can be abstracted as live data. I want to connect objects live, changing on the fly. The "C++ text -> compile -> link -> install / run" pipeline is way too clunky.
  - jcelerier 6y ago
    > C++ class hierarchies are not objects. who cares ? > Both libraries and class hierarchies are not just jails, but dependency hells. sounds like you had some severe trauma. I wonder how much better our profession would be if we had code psychiatrists, that would help people move past the bad experiences they had with $LANGUAGE. > Everything including functions can be abstracted as live data. I want to connect objects live, changing on the fly. well, you can use puredata or max/msp for that, and then when your program ends up being too slow and clunky because of the lack of optimizations, you can mail me for rewriting it in C++ at a cost :-)
wangketuo 6y ago
the product "notion" it create a new structure,page and block can be combined freely, i always think "notion" probably is a prototype

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago

> we need to go back to the idea that software can be like building a building where there are basic building blocks that can be purchased from many vendors and let each vendor decide how to improve the blocks and let the architects and engineers decide what blocks to use Isn't that just libraries and APIs? There's friction when interfaces aren't standardized, but it's certainly a good deal of the way there.

WheelsAtLarge 6y ago
Yes, very true, they are a big step forward but standardization is the real key to innovation. It lets society focus its limited resources as oppose to going all over the place looking for a way forward.
- valenterry 6y ago
  That's true - but standardization comes at a cost. If the standard is not good or not good enough (even after some time later) then it hinders progress. That's why even easy to standarise things such AC powercables are changed by some companies (Apple, OnePlus) to improve charging speed, because the standard isn't sufficient.

jcelerier 6y ago

> but for the most part it has not advanced to the point where you can interchange program piece Hasn't it ? I have no trouble e.g. replacing a hash map or container by another implementation in C++. We live in an era where we have libraries for everything and it takes seconds (okay, sometimes minutes) to introduce them in a codebase and swap them. What more do you want ?

mmphosis 6y ago
C++ libraries are baked in, broken, or missing. C++ class hierarchies are not objects. To me, objects are like biological cells that can poly-transform and communicate on the fly. Both libraries and class hierarchies are not just jails, but dependency hells. Want and more are problems. What do we need? Everything including functions can be abstracted as live data. I want to connect objects live, changing on the fly. The "C++ text -> compile -> link -> install / run" pipeline is way too clunky.
- jcelerier 6y ago
  > C++ class hierarchies are not objects. who cares ? > Both libraries and class hierarchies are not just jails, but dependency hells. sounds like you had some severe trauma. I wonder how much better our profession would be if we had code psychiatrists, that would help people move past the bad experiences they had with $LANGUAGE. > Everything including functions can be abstracted as live data. I want to connect objects live, changing on the fly. well, you can use puredata or max/msp for that, and then when your program ends up being too slow and clunky because of the lack of optimizations, you can mail me for rewriting it in C++ at a cost :-)

wangketuo 6y ago

the product "notion" it create a new structure,page and block can be combined freely, i always think "notion" probably is a prototype