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if you read past the headline, the actual policy it proposes is to reduce the number of police and cut the budget.

by smhost 6y ago

klipt 6y ago
If you read further the author says "I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years" "We don’t want to just close police departments" "People like me who want to abolish prisons and police"
- smhost 6y ago
  i mean again, advocating for abolition isn't a policy proposal. take for example angela davis, the most prominent prison abolitionist today. she says in this interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3q_qV5mHg0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3q_qV5mHg0) that there currently isn't a model of a prison-free society, only hints here and there.
  - klipt 6y ago
    Okay, call "abolish the police" a long-term goal instead of an immediate policy. It (and its shorter term policies like "abolish half the police by defunding them") are still very divisive among the electorate.
    - smhost 6y ago
      you can't abolish half of a thing. abolishing half of slavery still leaves you with slavery. you're confused about some basic terms here. and if you're using a broad enough notion of divisiveness, then anything is divisive, including tan suits and dijon mustard. so divisiveness as you're using the term is not a property of the relation between the constituency and the political object (policy/slogan/etc.), but it's instead a tool that social engineers can use to create antagonism between populations. for example, abortion appears to be an extremely divisive issue because of the way the issue has been socially engineered, but if you look at the data, a large majority of americans agree on the vast majority of abortion cases. it's the edge cases and disagreements on the rationale for/against abortion that are used to create the appareance of divisiveness.
      - klipt 6y ago
        > you can't abolish half of a thing. abolishing half of slavery still leaves you with slavery Then I guess the abolitionists failed because slavery still exists.
        smhost 6y ago
        You're right, abolition of slavery won't be achieved until settler colonial slave states like the united states are dismantled and replaced with a fair society. However, the abolitionists did accomplished many great notable things, such as killing a bunch of racist southerners.

if you read past the headline, the actual policy it proposes is to reduce the number of police and cut the budget.

by smhost 6y ago

if you read past the headline, the actual policy it proposes is to reduce the number of police and cut the budget.

If you read further the author says "I’ve been advocating the abolition of the police for years" "We don’t want to just close police departments" "People like me who want to abolish prisons and police"

smhost 6y ago
i mean again, advocating for abolition isn't a policy proposal. take for example angela davis, the most prominent prison abolitionist today. she says in this interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3q_qV5mHg0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3q_qV5mHg0) that there currently isn't a model of a prison-free society, only hints here and there.
- klipt 6y ago
  Okay, call "abolish the police" a long-term goal instead of an immediate policy. It (and its shorter term policies like "abolish half the police by defunding them") are still very divisive among the electorate.
  - smhost 6y ago
    you can't abolish half of a thing. abolishing half of slavery still leaves you with slavery. you're confused about some basic terms here. and if you're using a broad enough notion of divisiveness, then anything is divisive, including tan suits and dijon mustard. so divisiveness as you're using the term is not a property of the relation between the constituency and the political object (policy/slogan/etc.), but it's instead a tool that social engineers can use to create antagonism between populations. for example, abortion appears to be an extremely divisive issue because of the way the issue has been socially engineered, but if you look at the data, a large majority of americans agree on the vast majority of abortion cases. it's the edge cases and disagreements on the rationale for/against abortion that are used to create the appareance of divisiveness.
    - klipt 6y ago
      > you can't abolish half of a thing. abolishing half of slavery still leaves you with slavery Then I guess the abolitionists failed because slavery still exists.
      - smhost 6y ago
        You're right, abolition of slavery won't be achieved until settler colonial slave states like the united states are dismantled and replaced with a fair society. However, the abolitionists did accomplished many great notable things, such as killing a bunch of racist southerners.