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There are two things that people who do not want Trump to have ever been a president mix up and pretend are equivalent. One is the fact that every country inte

• Larrikin 6y ago
  Stop trying to both sides the idea there is a pedophile ring of shadowy Democrats that actually control the government and the fact that Russia interfered and ran misinformation campaigns to influence the election. You can argue about how effective you think those campaigns were in their influence but you're just trying to muddy the conversation if you are trying to make them out to be equivalently valid or equivalently ridiculous.
  • konjin 6y ago
    Please read what I actually said. Thank you.
  • kls 6y ago
    Well let's think this out for a minute, a extremely well connected liberal billionaire with a island was found out to be a pedofile and peddeling underage women to politicians. So much so that while it has not been proven their is a mountain of evidence that the British Crown was a solicitor. This has been extracted to a global cabal of pedofiles. Conversely, we know that the russians ran bot farms and did various other unscrupulous activities during the election. Yet nobody involved with Trump was implicated in what the Russians did. The evidence was well vetted and there was a through investigation on the subject matter, further, the Steele Dossier was proven to be a hit piece. This has been extracted to Trump is a KGB agent or under the influence and direct control of the Kremlin. Yet both are not on the equivalent on the conspiracy theory scale?
    • Larrikin 6y ago
      Are you trying to both sides about Donald's best friend? The guy he has been filmed and photographed with on multiple occasions?
      • kls 6y ago
        Not sure what you are asking, but my point was both sides are just as willing to extract truth into the realm of conspiracy. Please don't try to construe that as somehow me proclaiming my admiration for Trump. Sure Donald was friends with him, and most certainly he lied about his affiliation with him and distanced himself from him, but that is not the focus of my post. My focus was to highlight the rabid denialism that is rampant on both sides and both sides thinking they are the norm and the other guys are the extremist.
• cableshaft 6y ago
  I think people wanted it to be true because they didn't want to believe a man like Trump could be elected President of the United States normally. I do think the rise of social media has opened up the ability for foreign countries to influence people's beliefs regarding an election, much more than they could in the past (although it's not a new phenomenon and the US is guilty of it as well). But I also think the 2020 election also helped prove that it's not just foreign influence that can make people vote for someone like Trump, they're perfectly capable of coming to that conclusion on their own. There wasn't just social media influencing this time, they could see with their own eyes what Trump was doing the past four years, not just speculation, and still decided they wanted to support him.
• TulliusCicero 6y ago
  > The two have nothing to do with each other and mentioning the first when I'm talking about the second is deeply disingenuous. That Russia interfered in US elections has nothing to do with how successful Russia was in interfering with US elections, huh? Amazing logic there. Those two things aren't equivalent, but the former is a component of the latter. Pretending that they're unrelated is bizarre. > The other is that the fsb was so wildly successful at it they changes the result of the 2016 election. I mean, we know that Russia pushed Trump hard. Probably it wasn't enough to sway the election, but it's more than a little disingenuous to pretend that this is equivalent to "Hillary has a satanic pedophile ring" or "Bill Gates is injecting tracker 5G vaccines into people", where they're completely fabricated.
  • didibus 6y ago
    I think you can make a pretty strong claim that without the email leaks, Hillary would have won. Thus making Russia hacks and leaks of her emails directly responsible for the push to presidency.
    • konjin 6y ago
      And here we are. Four years later, a victory and still knee deep in conspiracy land why the loss was a fluke caused by evil doers against the righteous and noble Hilary.
      • didibus 6y ago
        You're projecting quite a lot here. There is a large number of Americans who obviously support Trump, you most likely, and about 47% of them it seems in fact. That said, the prior elections were really close, with Trump even losing the popular vote, so it's really no stretch to think that it didn't take much to tip the scales one way or another, no conspiracy here, just elementary observation.
• iameli 6y ago
  Russia hacked Democratic email accounts and trickled them out to WikiLeaks. They set up troll farms to promote pro-Trump narratives. The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee characterized this as "The Russian government directed extensive activity, beginning in at least 2014 and carrying into at least 2017, against U.S. election infrastructure at the state and local level." That was unusual. "Every country interferes with the elections of every other country" is disingenuous. And thinking maybe that there's more that might have happened there that went undiscovered is not even close to the same level as thinking that Wayfair is facilitating child trafficking.
• zjs 6y ago
  From my perspective, the two things that people mix up are: A. Russia interfering with the election. B. Trump welcoming Russia's interference. For me, (B) is significant regardless of whether the interference was impactful — and bringing up (B) in response to (A) does not seem disingenuous. > The other is that the fsb was so wildly successful at it they changes the result of the 2016 election. Do you have examples of people believing this?
  • konjin 6y ago
    There are replies in this thread that are saying Clinton II lost because of the emails being leaked.