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If you feel that way it may be a sign that you are too far into your own "filter bubble". I'm not saying those views are reasonable, but they are easier to cont

by pc2g4d 6y ago

If you feel that way it may be a sign that you are too far into your own "filter bubble". I'm not saying those views are reasonable, but they are easier to contemplate if you swim in a sea of right-wing viewpoints, some of which actually make some sense. Read Fox News, The Federalist, etc., hangout on r/Conservative, follow the YouTube right-wing rabbit-hole a ways, and you will be really pissed off but probably have a better sense for how people can get sucked into that kind of worldview. My experience is that it takes constant effort to avoid capture by the "default" left-leaning viewpoint that comes through most mainstream news sources. I live in a place where I am exposed to the Trump viewpoint only rarely, and I found myself aghast at some friends who said they were thinking about voting for Trump. But when they explained their reasons for it, it was clear we weighed the importance of things differently, but their reasoning made a lot of sense. But my initial reaction had been outright rejection, like an immune system fighting an invader.

grey-area 6y ago
So, your answer to someone feeling distaste for fascists and racists is they just aren't immersed enough in the fascist worldview to feel sympathy for it?
- projektfu 6y ago
  Try to be charitable. I read it as you don't have to change your taste, but you can develop some empathy. If you don't try to understand someone you won't change their mind.
  - grey-area 6y ago
    You're playing by rules which fascists don't respect.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  > So, your answer to someone feeling distaste for fascists and racists There is a lot to unpack there. You already have a prejudiced and a bias going into your thought of them based on their choice of only two real options. Think about that. You are looking at the world through a straw, almost with an ideological lens of religion. Politics are the new religion in ways, and yours is terrifying.
  - grey-area 6y ago
    Anti-fascism is terrifying? I don't think this about republicans or any other political group, but if you're a Trump supporter after all that has happened (birtherism, 'grab her by the pussy', banning an entire religion from US entry, separating children at the border, 'Jews will not replace us', refusing to denounce and hiring white supremacists, 'fine people on both sides', 'when someday I leave [office], whether it's in 4 years, 8 years, 12 years, 16 years', praising Putin, Duterte, Kim Jong Un), you are beyond the pale of civilisation. You have supported racism, fascism and a naked grab for power and the destruction of democracy in the US and around the world. If you break the rules of civilised society and violate the right of others to exist or vote, you can expect to be shunned.
    - djsumdog 6y ago
      Anti-fascism are literally committing acts of fascism. Denouncing white suprmacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1311469297613504512 https://twitter.com/authorMCWebb/status/1311499351043313665 The "Fine people" myth (when you view the entire thing in context): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R6hxPYWD50 The entry ban: Did you see what happened to that French school teacher? Have you read The Strange Death of Europe? It doesn't matter though. In that fine people video, even when people were presenting with the reality from the carefully selected video clips they had heard about, they still wouldn't accept it. The media has damaged our psyche. There are not peaceful protests in Portland right now. There have been riots for months! I use to live in Seattle, and the media did a very poor job of covering CHAZ. I made this: https://battlepenguin.video/videos/watch/9f81cd38-3ee9-4f26-bd19-44fea7966c27 https://battlepenguin.video/videos/watch/9f81cd38-3ee9-4f26-... Antifa is not an idea, it is real. There are cell groups who have done terrible things and the media paints them as peaceful protestors. They're not. They're straight up descendants of The Students for Democratic Society and The Weather Underground ideologically. The protestors in Portland are Domestic Terrorist. The National Guard was finally called in this week to stop them from burning things down. Suppressing speech: that's fascistic Getting people fired because they support a politician you don't like: that's fascistic Calling everyone you don't like a racist or white supremacists: that's fascistic The hard left, big tech and big media are the fascists.
cmorgan31 6y ago
Isn't Fox literally the largest cable provider of news in the usa and has been for decades? What is more main stream?
- presentation 6y ago
  Nothing, but the US media is deeply divided and partisan like everything else - while it’s the biggest it’s watched almost exclusively by right wing republicans, democrats mostly see it as propaganda and lies and don’t watch it at all; and Republicans regard MSNBC in the same light.

by pc2g4d 6y ago

grey-area 6y ago

So, your answer to someone feeling distaste for fascists and racists is they just aren't immersed enough in the fascist worldview to feel sympathy for it?

projektfu 6y ago
Try to be charitable. I read it as you don't have to change your taste, but you can develop some empathy. If you don't try to understand someone you won't change their mind.
- grey-area 6y ago
  You're playing by rules which fascists don't respect.
djsumdog 6y ago
> So, your answer to someone feeling distaste for fascists and racists There is a lot to unpack there. You already have a prejudiced and a bias going into your thought of them based on their choice of only two real options. Think about that. You are looking at the world through a straw, almost with an ideological lens of religion. Politics are the new religion in ways, and yours is terrifying.
- grey-area 6y ago
  Anti-fascism is terrifying? I don't think this about republicans or any other political group, but if you're a Trump supporter after all that has happened (birtherism, 'grab her by the pussy', banning an entire religion from US entry, separating children at the border, 'Jews will not replace us', refusing to denounce and hiring white supremacists, 'fine people on both sides', 'when someday I leave [office], whether it's in 4 years, 8 years, 12 years, 16 years', praising Putin, Duterte, Kim Jong Un), you are beyond the pale of civilisation. You have supported racism, fascism and a naked grab for power and the destruction of democracy in the US and around the world. If you break the rules of civilised society and violate the right of others to exist or vote, you can expect to be shunned.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    Anti-fascism are literally committing acts of fascism. Denouncing white suprmacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1311469297613504512 https://twitter.com/authorMCWebb/status/1311499351043313665 The "Fine people" myth (when you view the entire thing in context): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R6hxPYWD50 The entry ban: Did you see what happened to that French school teacher? Have you read The Strange Death of Europe? It doesn't matter though. In that fine people video, even when people were presenting with the reality from the carefully selected video clips they had heard about, they still wouldn't accept it. The media has damaged our psyche. There are not peaceful protests in Portland right now. There have been riots for months! I use to live in Seattle, and the media did a very poor job of covering CHAZ. I made this: https://battlepenguin.video/videos/watch/9f81cd38-3ee9-4f26-bd19-44fea7966c27 https://battlepenguin.video/videos/watch/9f81cd38-3ee9-4f26-... Antifa is not an idea, it is real. There are cell groups who have done terrible things and the media paints them as peaceful protestors. They're not. They're straight up descendants of The Students for Democratic Society and The Weather Underground ideologically. The protestors in Portland are Domestic Terrorist. The National Guard was finally called in this week to stop them from burning things down. Suppressing speech: that's fascistic Getting people fired because they support a politician you don't like: that's fascistic Calling everyone you don't like a racist or white supremacists: that's fascistic The hard left, big tech and big media are the fascists.

cmorgan31 6y ago

Isn't Fox literally the largest cable provider of news in the usa and has been for decades? What is more main stream?

presentation 6y ago
Nothing, but the US media is deeply divided and partisan like everything else - while it’s the biggest it’s watched almost exclusively by right wing republicans, democrats mostly see it as propaganda and lies and don’t watch it at all; and Republicans regard MSNBC in the same light.