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The fine people video you watched was a cleverly edited hoax. In the same breath, without prompting he said he wasn't referring to neo-nazis or white supremaci

The fine people video you watched was a cleverly edited hoax. In the same breath, without prompting he said he wasn't referring to neo-nazis or white supremacists who should be "condemned totally.". Here's the proof: https://finepeople.org/ https://finepeople.org/ Here's a compilation of 38 times he condemned racism and white supremacy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it appears you've been systematically misled on this issue.

question000 6y ago
I'm sorry, no you've been hoaxed. We saw the debates and post-Charlottesville terrorist act press conference where he outright refused to condemn white supremacy. It also doesn't matter if you threaten to kill me once, then say you didn't 38 times, I still won't believe you, I just know you're a lying.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  If you believe he failed to condemn white supremacy in the post Charlottesville press conference, then you clearly didn't watch it. That finepeople.org link has the unedited clip where he says they should be condemned totally. His worst response on this issue was the debates where he said "sure" to whether he'd condemn white supremacy. And then he was asked about the Proud Boys which are a multi racial group with a black leader.
  - question000 6y ago
    I did watch it. He didn't. There were audible gasps in the room when he refused. Literally everyone I know who saw it had the same reaction. I'm not going to stand for this revisionist history.
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53858940 https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53858940 >According to a transcript of a press conference on 15 August, President Trump did say - when asked about the presence of neo-Nazis at the rally - "you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides." During the same press conference, Mr Trump went on to say "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."
      - question000 6y ago
        How about you link to the actual transcript https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-infrastructure/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres... Which clearly has nothing to do with the actual issue being discussed. Trump just suddenly throws this in that line at a totally unrelated contractor permitting press conference for one sentence. It's really crazy, if Trump says one thing to the people of Charlottesville and a totally contradictory thing later in the most obscure circumstance, are we to give him the benefit of the doubt? I don't, there is no doubt.
        Consultant32452 6y ago
        I see, in a later press conference, after he'd given a full throated condemnation of white supremacy, someone asked him about his fine people comment and he reaffirms his belief that there were people supporting the statue. Again, something that could be false. The idea that literally dozens of times he directly and clearly denounced white white supremacy, that he practically couldn't shut up for four years about all the great things he was doing for black people, that he passed the criminal justice reform bill, that he funded historically black colleges more than any administration in history, that he created opportunity zones to bring investment into black communities... He's going around the country bragging about these things constantly, but his off the cuff response in a press conference where he reaffirms his belief that there were some non-racist statue supporters... That's when the real truth came out, that was his big signal to the white supremacists that he was on their side in spite of significant policies and repeatedly proclaiming the opposite. That's a wild belief.
- mistermann 6y ago
  This sense of ESP and omniscience you have is an illusory side effect of human consciousness. Actual reality consists of all things that occur, but your virtual representation of it is ultimately based on alterations to it as you consume it, and in post processing, and other things that are not well understood.
mistermann 6y ago
Isn't it interesting to observe how the self-perceived "logical" human mind reacts to evidence that obviously contradicts their constructed narrative based perception of reality? How this pink elephant in the room continues to avoid direct discussion in the mainstream is fascinating.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  Once you consider the full ramifications of continuing to spread this lie in the context of violent race riots, it gets really dark really fast.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    What specific lie do you refer to? There seem to be many lies in play as far as I can tell. Some people might even go so far as to say that the entire conversation is composed of mostly lies, although that presumes conscious intent, which I would say is not the case.
    - Consultant32452 6y ago
      The tent pole lie of the fine people hoax where Trump instead explicitly condemned white nationalists. He did the exact opposite of calling white supremacists fine people.
      - mistermann 6y ago
        Ah ok I see, I thought you were disagreeing with me. That's a good website, I had literally never seen that video before. That's kind of what I mean by my comment, it's downright hilarious to come here onto forums and watch people argue about their respective perceptions of reality, while the vast majority of people think they are actually arguing about reality itself (which is what your video shows). That it has zero effect on most people (well, maybe makes them even angrier) is what is so mysterious about the working of the mind.
hilbertseries 6y ago
The group of people protesting in Charlotte were chanting blood & soil and carrying confederate flags. Anyone joining in that protest, is explicitly supporting that cause by being in that protest. That makes the entire crowd complicit in white nationalism. Trump's claim is that these people who are happy to protest in a coalition of white supremacist and neo nazis are very fine people and not themselves white supremacists? It's absurd. The Charlottesville protest was a racist, bloody affair that ultimately resulted in a counter protested being killed after a white supremacist drove their car into the crowd of protestors. But, Trump felt it was very important to defend the protestors and in particular defend Robert E Lee, a man responsible for leading the war to keep a state's rights to slavery. The idea that this is somehow not racist and Trump is a man of equality, is again, absurd.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  Again, if you watch the full context he speaks to this. Trump believed there were people there who simply supported the statues. If he was wrong about that, it doesn't take away from his clear, full throated condemnation of neo-nazis and white supremacists. It means only he was incorrect about who all attended.
  - hilbertseries 6y ago
    I addressed both of these points in my comment. Protesting the removal of a statue commemorating Robert e Lee is fundamentally racist, Trump defending this is racist. Equivocating it with Washington is an absurd statement that lacks any historical context or nuance. And again Trump the thinking that it’s okay to protest and give support to Neo nazis by protesting with them, is a racist incredibly privileged stance to take. How do you watch this speech and come away thinking Trump is not racist here? I will fully agree that tearing down a statue of Ulysses Grant is ridiculous. But Robert E Lee was a man who was willing to lead a nation into a civil war for the right to own black people. And Trump thinks the people who want a statue to this man to commemorate him are very fine people?
    - Consultant32452 6y ago

question000 6y ago

I'm sorry, no you've been hoaxed. We saw the debates and post-Charlottesville terrorist act press conference where he outright refused to condemn white supremacy. It also doesn't matter if you threaten to kill me once, then say you didn't 38 times, I still won't believe you, I just know you're a lying.

Consultant32452 6y ago
If you believe he failed to condemn white supremacy in the post Charlottesville press conference, then you clearly didn't watch it. That finepeople.org link has the unedited clip where he says they should be condemned totally. His worst response on this issue was the debates where he said "sure" to whether he'd condemn white supremacy. And then he was asked about the Proud Boys which are a multi racial group with a black leader.
- question000 6y ago
  I did watch it. He didn't. There were audible gasps in the room when he refused. Literally everyone I know who saw it had the same reaction. I'm not going to stand for this revisionist history.
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53858940 https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-53858940 >According to a transcript of a press conference on 15 August, President Trump did say - when asked about the presence of neo-Nazis at the rally - "you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides." During the same press conference, Mr Trump went on to say "I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally."
    - question000 6y ago
      How about you link to the actual transcript https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-infrastructure/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres... Which clearly has nothing to do with the actual issue being discussed. Trump just suddenly throws this in that line at a totally unrelated contractor permitting press conference for one sentence. It's really crazy, if Trump says one thing to the people of Charlottesville and a totally contradictory thing later in the most obscure circumstance, are we to give him the benefit of the doubt? I don't, there is no doubt.
      - Consultant32452 6y ago
        I see, in a later press conference, after he'd given a full throated condemnation of white supremacy, someone asked him about his fine people comment and he reaffirms his belief that there were people supporting the statue. Again, something that could be false. The idea that literally dozens of times he directly and clearly denounced white white supremacy, that he practically couldn't shut up for four years about all the great things he was doing for black people, that he passed the criminal justice reform bill, that he funded historically black colleges more than any administration in history, that he created opportunity zones to bring investment into black communities... He's going around the country bragging about these things constantly, but his off the cuff response in a press conference where he reaffirms his belief that there were some non-racist statue supporters... That's when the real truth came out, that was his big signal to the white supremacists that he was on their side in spite of significant policies and repeatedly proclaiming the opposite. That's a wild belief.
mistermann 6y ago
This sense of ESP and omniscience you have is an illusory side effect of human consciousness. Actual reality consists of all things that occur, but your virtual representation of it is ultimately based on alterations to it as you consume it, and in post processing, and other things that are not well understood.

mistermann 6y ago

Isn't it interesting to observe how the self-perceived "logical" human mind reacts to evidence that obviously contradicts their constructed narrative based perception of reality? How this pink elephant in the room continues to avoid direct discussion in the mainstream is fascinating.

Consultant32452 6y ago
Once you consider the full ramifications of continuing to spread this lie in the context of violent race riots, it gets really dark really fast.
- mistermann 6y ago
  What specific lie do you refer to? There seem to be many lies in play as far as I can tell. Some people might even go so far as to say that the entire conversation is composed of mostly lies, although that presumes conscious intent, which I would say is not the case.
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    The tent pole lie of the fine people hoax where Trump instead explicitly condemned white nationalists. He did the exact opposite of calling white supremacists fine people.
    - mistermann 6y ago
      Ah ok I see, I thought you were disagreeing with me. That's a good website, I had literally never seen that video before. That's kind of what I mean by my comment, it's downright hilarious to come here onto forums and watch people argue about their respective perceptions of reality, while the vast majority of people think they are actually arguing about reality itself (which is what your video shows). That it has zero effect on most people (well, maybe makes them even angrier) is what is so mysterious about the working of the mind.

hilbertseries 6y ago

The group of people protesting in Charlotte were chanting blood & soil and carrying confederate flags. Anyone joining in that protest, is explicitly supporting that cause by being in that protest. That makes the entire crowd complicit in white nationalism. Trump's claim is that these people who are happy to protest in a coalition of white supremacist and neo nazis are very fine people and not themselves white supremacists? It's absurd. The Charlottesville protest was a racist, bloody affair that ultimately resulted in a counter protested being killed after a white supremacist drove their car into the crowd of protestors. But, Trump felt it was very important to defend the protestors and in particular defend Robert E Lee, a man responsible for leading the war to keep a state's rights to slavery. The idea that this is somehow not racist and Trump is a man of equality, is again, absurd.

Consultant32452 6y ago
Again, if you watch the full context he speaks to this. Trump believed there were people there who simply supported the statues. If he was wrong about that, it doesn't take away from his clear, full throated condemnation of neo-nazis and white supremacists. It means only he was incorrect about who all attended.
- hilbertseries 6y ago
  I addressed both of these points in my comment. Protesting the removal of a statue commemorating Robert e Lee is fundamentally racist, Trump defending this is racist. Equivocating it with Washington is an absurd statement that lacks any historical context or nuance. And again Trump the thinking that it’s okay to protest and give support to Neo nazis by protesting with them, is a racist incredibly privileged stance to take. How do you watch this speech and come away thinking Trump is not racist here? I will fully agree that tearing down a statue of Ulysses Grant is ridiculous. But Robert E Lee was a man who was willing to lead a nation into a civil war for the right to own black people. And Trump thinks the people who want a statue to this man to commemorate him are very fine people?
  - Consultant32452 6y ago