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The media class is not ignoring these people. It's getting really rich feeding them this poison. The media class consists of more than just a few large center-l

The media class is not ignoring these people. It's getting really rich feeding them this poison. The media class consists of more than just a few large center-left outlets.

sebmellen 6y ago
Fair point. I was surprised at my blind spot, which I think I have because my media consumption consists mostly of the centrist media outlets you refer to. I never realized how influential Bitchute QAnon believers are or One America News Network is either (mainly due to social media algorithms running haywire). Tristan Harris of the Social Dilemma made some really great points to this effect on his podcast episode with Joe Rogan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTKaHKCAFg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTKaHKCAFg.
easyat 6y ago
The media is not center left. Neoconservatise(Fox) and neoliberal(CNN/NYT) are different shades of right. We are watching different points of view of right wing politics argue. Wall street vs petrochemical companies vs SV, etc... all jostling for position. And all of these people with quite a bit of overlapping interests but slightly different focus i.e. foreign intervention but should the pentagon focus on M.E. destabilization or for African and S.A. lithium?
- danaos 6y ago
  This is the first time the NYT are pictured as neoliberal. That, or I've been living under a rock.
  - eutropia 6y ago
    Remember: the thing about neoliberalism is that it ain't new, and it ain't liberal. NYT follows the narrative supportive of the corporate agenda writ large, not because of an active choice about what it does write about, but because of the glaringly newsworthy things it ignores: like ongoing imperialism and terrorism committed by the US all over the world. This is true for most all major news orgs in the US.
  - Glide 6y ago
    You’re not alone. His statements don’t line up with the ruckus after the Tom Cotton op-Ed or Bari Weiss’s departure.
  - easyat 6y ago
    Does supporting far right coups and writing context free puff pieces like this(constantly)[1] after a massive turnout for the very left wing party that the NYT railed against seem center left? Or, their uncritical push for the war in Iraq. Or their complete silence on the United State's role in Yemen etc... They write articles like this weekly, if that is not neoliberal then what is it? [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/world/americas/evo-morales-bolivia.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/world/americas/evo-morale...
bra-ket 6y ago
Trump has been blatantly slandered by the mainstream media as racist evil orange man, it was 4 years of '1984' style brainwashing by the left. One of the big reasons for voting Trump was standing up against this propaganda machine, lies, censorship and intimidation. 70M people thankfully did just that, which gives hope in the future of this country.
- Falling3 6y ago
  Please stop repeating the same comment, silently editing it, and deleting it when it's downvoted? You're very clearly not going to get any substantive replies. Biden won because people have legitimate issues with Trump. Deride it as "the propaganda machine" and other nonsense all you like. But this administration has a mind-boggling amount of documented fact-checked lies, clear nepotism, a history of censoring government agencies and intimidating federal employees who disagree, and putting out some of the most absurd propaganda we've seen in this country in modern history. It's astounding that this administration's chief complaints about the other side are always exemplified by the administration themselves. And people mindlessly repeat it without a shred of irony.
  - bra-ket 6y ago
    anything pro-Trump being consistently flagged which is so fitting of your liberal friends. I will repeat my comment as many times as it's flagged.
    - Falling3 6y ago
      > anything pro-Trump being consistently flagged which is so fitting of your liberal friends. That's simply not true. There are pro-Trump comments here that are not being flagged or downvoted into oblivion. But they're the substantive comments that aren't full of baseless claims about Trump being the victim of conspiracies and abuse.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    I'm really glad I saw that comment, because it's good to know people can look past their bias to see the very terrible thing that happened to our democratic process to give you the outcome you feel is good. We need reconciliation, but it will never happen until we're at least willing to look at the facts objectively and realize we just witnessed a type of coup.

The media class is not ignoring these people. It's getting really rich feeding them this poison. The media class consists of more than just a few large center-left outlets.

sebmellen 6y ago

Fair point. I was surprised at my blind spot, which I think I have because my media consumption consists mostly of the centrist media outlets you refer to. I never realized how influential Bitchute QAnon believers are or One America News Network is either (mainly due to social media algorithms running haywire). Tristan Harris of the Social Dilemma made some really great points to this effect on his podcast episode with Joe Rogan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTKaHKCAFg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTKaHKCAFg.

easyat 6y ago

The media is not center left. Neoconservatise(Fox) and neoliberal(CNN/NYT) are different shades of right. We are watching different points of view of right wing politics argue. Wall street vs petrochemical companies vs SV, etc... all jostling for position. And all of these people with quite a bit of overlapping interests but slightly different focus i.e. foreign intervention but should the pentagon focus on M.E. destabilization or for African and S.A. lithium?

danaos 6y ago
This is the first time the NYT are pictured as neoliberal. That, or I've been living under a rock.
- eutropia 6y ago
  Remember: the thing about neoliberalism is that it ain't new, and it ain't liberal. NYT follows the narrative supportive of the corporate agenda writ large, not because of an active choice about what it does write about, but because of the glaringly newsworthy things it ignores: like ongoing imperialism and terrorism committed by the US all over the world. This is true for most all major news orgs in the US.
- Glide 6y ago
  You’re not alone. His statements don’t line up with the ruckus after the Tom Cotton op-Ed or Bari Weiss’s departure.
- easyat 6y ago
  Does supporting far right coups and writing context free puff pieces like this(constantly)[1] after a massive turnout for the very left wing party that the NYT railed against seem center left? Or, their uncritical push for the war in Iraq. Or their complete silence on the United State's role in Yemen etc... They write articles like this weekly, if that is not neoliberal then what is it? [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/world/americas/evo-morales-bolivia.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/world/americas/evo-morale...

bra-ket 6y ago

Trump has been blatantly slandered by the mainstream media as racist evil orange man, it was 4 years of '1984' style brainwashing by the left. One of the big reasons for voting Trump was standing up against this propaganda machine, lies, censorship and intimidation. 70M people thankfully did just that, which gives hope in the future of this country.

Falling3 6y ago
Please stop repeating the same comment, silently editing it, and deleting it when it's downvoted? You're very clearly not going to get any substantive replies. Biden won because people have legitimate issues with Trump. Deride it as "the propaganda machine" and other nonsense all you like. But this administration has a mind-boggling amount of documented fact-checked lies, clear nepotism, a history of censoring government agencies and intimidating federal employees who disagree, and putting out some of the most absurd propaganda we've seen in this country in modern history. It's astounding that this administration's chief complaints about the other side are always exemplified by the administration themselves. And people mindlessly repeat it without a shred of irony.
- bra-ket 6y ago
  anything pro-Trump being consistently flagged which is so fitting of your liberal friends. I will repeat my comment as many times as it's flagged.
  - Falling3 6y ago
    > anything pro-Trump being consistently flagged which is so fitting of your liberal friends. That's simply not true. There are pro-Trump comments here that are not being flagged or downvoted into oblivion. But they're the substantive comments that aren't full of baseless claims about Trump being the victim of conspiracies and abuse.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  I'm really glad I saw that comment, because it's good to know people can look past their bias to see the very terrible thing that happened to our democratic process to give you the outcome you feel is good. We need reconciliation, but it will never happen until we're at least willing to look at the facts objectively and realize we just witnessed a type of coup.