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They're complaining about votes being counted in states run by Republicans when both Republicans and Democrats are watching the count. Trump formed a committee

They're complaining about votes being counted in states run by Republicans when both Republicans and Democrats are watching the count. Trump formed a committee to find voter fraud and for years it failed. It silently disbanded. The heritage foundation has researched voter fraud too, and it has found little to no evidence. If that doesn't satisfy them, what will? You're basically saying we have to convince a group of people that fucking unicorns and dragons don't exist.

nostromo 6y ago
The questions were all about what was happening in places like Philadelphia and Detroit -- hardly Republican strongholds. Philadelphia successfully removed GOP observers from the tabulations rooms -- citing Covid-19 concerns -- until a higher court overruled the decision. Of course, by that time, most of the counting was complete. https://www.mycentraloregon.com/2020/11/05/pennsylvania-judge-permits-campaign-observers-up-close-view-of-ballot-count-after-trump-complaint/ https://www.mycentraloregon.com/2020/11/05/pennsylvania-judg... https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-pennsylvania-ballot-counting-republicans-20201105-esk2boinpba45ibnbe7qq62hfq-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-gover...
- dash2 6y ago
  I think this argument deserves a response, rather than a downvote. Anyone?
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - aconbere 6y ago
    In all seriousness. There was a lawsuit filed by the Trump with regards to the distance requirements for safe viewing of vote counting. The judge overturned a lower court decision on what safe distances would be, and enabled observers to observe from 6 feet instead of 10. The first source listed corroborates this story (although I haven't found any primary sources or what the exact contents of the complaint were, abcnews seems to be the source that most outlets are referencing https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pennsylvania-judge-permits-campaign-observers-close-view-ballot/story?id=74040279 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pennsylvania-judge-permits-c...). There doesn't seem to be any truth to observers being removed from any tabulation rooms (or at least I can't find any trustworthy sources). The second source, while claiming this in the headline, is also just referencing the complaint discussed earlier and has twisted that into the headline.
- bleepblorp 6y ago
  > Philadelphia successfully removed GOP observers from the tabulations rooms Don't repeat disinformation. This never happened. Poll watchers were required to stand 10 feet away to protect workers from COVID-19. The court ruling required that they be allowed to stand 6 feet away.
  - throwaway201103 6y ago
    What do "observers" normally do? How close are they normally allowed to be? Can you read a ballot from 6 or 10 ft away? Does that affect the ability of observers to observe whatever it is they are responsible for observing? Does COVID justify relaxing the rules on observation of a vote count?
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    It was 20ft, arguably too close for sustained proximity. Citation: https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/ https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-co...
    - bleepblorp 6y ago
      I've seen conflicting reports about this but I'm not going to argue the point. I can certainly see why 20ft would be a problem. It seems to me the counting authority should have set up some 4K CCTV gear, and/or 4K webcams on an internal network, for the duration. The pandemic gave them ample warning that physical distancing measures would be required. The earlier post's premise--as pushed by Trump over Twitter--that Republican poll watchers were specifically targeted for exclusion, however, is factually wrong.

nostromo 6y ago

The questions were all about what was happening in places like Philadelphia and Detroit -- hardly Republican strongholds. Philadelphia successfully removed GOP observers from the tabulations rooms -- citing Covid-19 concerns -- until a higher court overruled the decision. Of course, by that time, most of the counting was complete. https://www.mycentraloregon.com/2020/11/05/pennsylvania-judge-permits-campaign-observers-up-close-view-of-ballot-count-after-trump-complaint/ https://www.mycentraloregon.com/2020/11/05/pennsylvania-judg... https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-pennsylvania-ballot-counting-republicans-20201105-esk2boinpba45ibnbe7qq62hfq-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-gover...

dash2 6y ago
I think this argument deserves a response, rather than a downvote. Anyone?
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- aconbere 6y ago
  In all seriousness. There was a lawsuit filed by the Trump with regards to the distance requirements for safe viewing of vote counting. The judge overturned a lower court decision on what safe distances would be, and enabled observers to observe from 6 feet instead of 10. The first source listed corroborates this story (although I haven't found any primary sources or what the exact contents of the complaint were, abcnews seems to be the source that most outlets are referencing https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pennsylvania-judge-permits-campaign-observers-close-view-ballot/story?id=74040279 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pennsylvania-judge-permits-c...). There doesn't seem to be any truth to observers being removed from any tabulation rooms (or at least I can't find any trustworthy sources). The second source, while claiming this in the headline, is also just referencing the complaint discussed earlier and has twisted that into the headline.
bleepblorp 6y ago
> Philadelphia successfully removed GOP observers from the tabulations rooms Don't repeat disinformation. This never happened. Poll watchers were required to stand 10 feet away to protect workers from COVID-19. The court ruling required that they be allowed to stand 6 feet away.
- throwaway201103 6y ago
  What do "observers" normally do? How close are they normally allowed to be? Can you read a ballot from 6 or 10 ft away? Does that affect the ability of observers to observe whatever it is they are responsible for observing? Does COVID justify relaxing the rules on observation of a vote count?
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  It was 20ft, arguably too close for sustained proximity. Citation: https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/ https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-co...
  - bleepblorp 6y ago
    I've seen conflicting reports about this but I'm not going to argue the point. I can certainly see why 20ft would be a problem. It seems to me the counting authority should have set up some 4K CCTV gear, and/or 4K webcams on an internal network, for the duration. The pandemic gave them ample warning that physical distancing measures would be required. The earlier post's premise--as pushed by Trump over Twitter--that Republican poll watchers were specifically targeted for exclusion, however, is factually wrong.