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lol probably less than 5% of people actually gave a crap or thought he was from Kenya. it was more like, "liberal president who wants to do more, pushes throug

lol probably less than 5% of people actually gave a crap or thought he was from Kenya. it was more like, "liberal president who wants to do more, pushes through mass healthcare and finance reform without bipartisan support bad" the narrative that all republicans are racist is way more convenient though, go for that.

sosborn 6y ago
It’s very telling you assume that I think all republicans are rascist.
- arkis22 6y ago
  democrats routinely accuse republicans of being racist. especially more than the opposite, so I'm not sure why you thought that would help.
- scrollaway 6y ago
  The comment you are replying to does not say nor imply that. What is telling, is that you think it does.
akhilcacharya 6y ago
One of the 5% is the current and soon to be former president.
watwut 6y ago
Literally Trump who later became president made a big deal about birth certificate.
- arkis22 6y ago
  "trump says something dumb" more news at 11 the presidency is not "not saying dumb things" it's signing or rejecting bills.
  - Falling3 6y ago
    The president is the face of leadership for the country. The way they address the country and the things they say is unquestionably a huge part of the presidency.
    - arkis22 6y ago
      he was never anyone's president. it's been 4 years of "never trump"
      - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
        So, people who say "never trump", their words hold value? But Trump making lies up about Obama don't hold their value? Inconsistencies abound. Not a surprise.
        arkis22 6y ago
        uh no. Trumps words dont hold value. Where have you been? "Trump says something dumb at 11" But yeah, the never trumpers words do, theyve been fantastically consistent.
        ntsplnkv2 6y ago
        Just because Trump is/says something dumb doesn't mean his words don't have value. A random person on twitter saying "never trump" doesn't have the same value.
        arkis22 6y ago
        there were however, millions of them and there still are.
        ntsplnkv2 6y ago
        They can say "not my president" all they want, just as Trump can say he won the election, when he clearly didn't. One of those is far more impact, though. One of those is a person who runs the executive branch of the strongest government in the world. The other is someone making a post on twitter. To compare the two is wrong - period.
AlisdairO 6y ago
The thing is, bipartisan support was impossible to achieve at the time. Obama crafted a conservative health bill, attempted to reach across the aisle and got stonewalled - it was noted at the time that the Republicans adopted an unusually obstructive approach during the Obama era. Bipartisan support was (by design) more or less impossible to achieve.
- arkis22 6y ago
  Was it impossible? Youre quite sure? Or maybe it was just easier for them to call republicans fascist while forcing it through with a super majority? As opposed to the excellent state and not "unusually obstructive " form that democrats left the nation with after 4 years of never trump? Pelosi played political brinksmanship and chicken with thousands of peoples lives just to pass relief after trump lost.
  - AlisdairO 6y ago
    More or less, yes. Take a look at the ACA. This is a piece of legislation that was essentially conservative in nature. It pleased very few on the democratic side, and bore plenty of similarities to some republican plans from the 90s. The Republicans reacted as if communism was coming to America. It should be noted that this approach was an explicit plan that was noted by many at the time - some choice quotes in this article: https://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/ https://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-de... > As opposed to the excellent state and not "unusually obstructive " form that democrats left the nation with after 4 years of never trump? During the Trump administration, the Republicans had 2 years of controlling the house, the senate, AND the presidency. Not sure how much you think the Democrats could obstruct in that situation. In the following two years there's been just a democratic house, from which the Republican senate majority leader has been more or less unwilling to review legislation. And not just democratic-lead legislation - plenty of bipartisan legislation has been ignore too. Really not sure why you're giving Pelosi sole blame for the failure to come to an agreement on stimulus. McConnell seems to be the clearest blocker here: seems there was hope for the White House and the House to come to an agreement, which McConnell scuppered: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/10/15/mcconnell-wont-support-18-trillion-white-house-stimulus-bill-even-if-pelosi-and-trump-make-a-deal/?sh=66120b8d5a8a https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/10/15/mcconnel... .
cmurf 6y ago
PPACA came straight out of Heritage Foundation. It had substantial bipartisan support in committee, markup, and amendments. Republicans voted against it to use as a political fundraising foil, which they did extremely effectively for a decade. Is quite cynical. As for the five year racist lie of birtherism told by Trump. 51% of Republicans believed it in 2017. There are more QAnon believers in the upcoming Republican caucus than Black members. Not all completely racist. But pretty racist. https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/12/08/republicans-see-little-need-russia-investigation https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
- arkis22 6y ago
  51% of republicans dumb enough to answer a poll in 2017 about where Obama was born believed it. How wrong do political polls need to get before we start laughing at them? Yeah, QAnon is a real shame. But that's an interesting thing for you to say. I agree, it's a shame the black republicans that were running for congress didn't win. But they didn't lose to... white republicans. They lost to democrats. Some of them were probably even white! And I doubt that republicans didn't vote for them because of their skin color. So that was a real interesting thing for you to say.

sosborn 6y ago

It’s very telling you assume that I think all republicans are rascist.

arkis22 6y ago
democrats routinely accuse republicans of being racist. especially more than the opposite, so I'm not sure why you thought that would help.
scrollaway 6y ago
The comment you are replying to does not say nor imply that. What is telling, is that you think it does.

akhilcacharya 6y ago

One of the 5% is the current and soon to be former president.

watwut 6y ago

Literally Trump who later became president made a big deal about birth certificate.

arkis22 6y ago
"trump says something dumb" more news at 11 the presidency is not "not saying dumb things" it's signing or rejecting bills.
- Falling3 6y ago
  The president is the face of leadership for the country. The way they address the country and the things they say is unquestionably a huge part of the presidency.
  - arkis22 6y ago
    he was never anyone's president. it's been 4 years of "never trump"
    - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
      So, people who say "never trump", their words hold value? But Trump making lies up about Obama don't hold their value? Inconsistencies abound. Not a surprise.
      - arkis22 6y ago
        uh no. Trumps words dont hold value. Where have you been? "Trump says something dumb at 11" But yeah, the never trumpers words do, theyve been fantastically consistent.
        ntsplnkv2 6y ago
        Just because Trump is/says something dumb doesn't mean his words don't have value. A random person on twitter saying "never trump" doesn't have the same value.
        arkis22 6y ago
        there were however, millions of them and there still are.
        ntsplnkv2 6y ago
        They can say "not my president" all they want, just as Trump can say he won the election, when he clearly didn't. One of those is far more impact, though. One of those is a person who runs the executive branch of the strongest government in the world. The other is someone making a post on twitter. To compare the two is wrong - period.

AlisdairO 6y ago

The thing is, bipartisan support was impossible to achieve at the time. Obama crafted a conservative health bill, attempted to reach across the aisle and got stonewalled - it was noted at the time that the Republicans adopted an unusually obstructive approach during the Obama era. Bipartisan support was (by design) more or less impossible to achieve.

arkis22 6y ago
Was it impossible? Youre quite sure? Or maybe it was just easier for them to call republicans fascist while forcing it through with a super majority? As opposed to the excellent state and not "unusually obstructive " form that democrats left the nation with after 4 years of never trump? Pelosi played political brinksmanship and chicken with thousands of peoples lives just to pass relief after trump lost.
- AlisdairO 6y ago
  More or less, yes. Take a look at the ACA. This is a piece of legislation that was essentially conservative in nature. It pleased very few on the democratic side, and bore plenty of similarities to some republican plans from the 90s. The Republicans reacted as if communism was coming to America. It should be noted that this approach was an explicit plan that was noted by many at the time - some choice quotes in this article: https://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-details-on-the-gop-plot-to-obstruct-obama/ https://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/the-party-of-no-new-de... > As opposed to the excellent state and not "unusually obstructive " form that democrats left the nation with after 4 years of never trump? During the Trump administration, the Republicans had 2 years of controlling the house, the senate, AND the presidency. Not sure how much you think the Democrats could obstruct in that situation. In the following two years there's been just a democratic house, from which the Republican senate majority leader has been more or less unwilling to review legislation. And not just democratic-lead legislation - plenty of bipartisan legislation has been ignore too. Really not sure why you're giving Pelosi sole blame for the failure to come to an agreement on stimulus. McConnell seems to be the clearest blocker here: seems there was hope for the White House and the House to come to an agreement, which McConnell scuppered: https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/10/15/mcconnell-wont-support-18-trillion-white-house-stimulus-bill-even-if-pelosi-and-trump-make-a-deal/?sh=66120b8d5a8a https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/10/15/mcconnel... .

cmurf 6y ago

PPACA came straight out of Heritage Foundation. It had substantial bipartisan support in committee, markup, and amendments. Republicans voted against it to use as a political fundraising foil, which they did extremely effectively for a decade. Is quite cynical. As for the five year racist lie of birtherism told by Trump. 51% of Republicans believed it in 2017. There are more QAnon believers in the upcoming Republican caucus than Black members. Not all completely racist. But pretty racist. https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/12/08/republicans-see-little-need-russia-investigation https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...

arkis22 6y ago
51% of republicans dumb enough to answer a poll in 2017 about where Obama was born believed it. How wrong do political polls need to get before we start laughing at them? Yeah, QAnon is a real shame. But that's an interesting thing for you to say. I agree, it's a shame the black republicans that were running for congress didn't win. But they didn't lose to... white republicans. They lost to democrats. Some of them were probably even white! And I doubt that republicans didn't vote for them because of their skin color. So that was a real interesting thing for you to say.