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This is a false equivalency because voting for Trump in 2020 is a demonstration of complicity with a years-long record of racist rhetoric and policies while it’

This is a false equivalency because voting for Trump in 2020 is a demonstration of complicity with a years-long record of racist rhetoric and policies while it’s simply laughable that a Biden administration would implement anything as redistributive as the New Deal, much less hiring true socialists in the administration. I blame Fox News for getting away with a decade of bad-faith claims of socialism towards things like mortgage assistance or Pre-K education.

paulddraper 6y ago
> a years-long record of racist policies Trump gained significant ground among racial minorities. So...IDK how to square that with your characterization of his 4 years of policies. PS. Lest you think the right has a monopoly on racism, I point you no further than California's attempted repeal of discrimination law (Prop 209). This is the same sort of inflated rhetoric/tribalism the grandparent was speaking of.
- CameronNemo 6y ago
  Trump received 8% of the votes of black people.
  - paulddraper 6y ago
    12% according to NY Times [1], double what he got in 2016 [2]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examinati...
  - taharvey 6y ago
    Proves only gullibility has no racial boundaries.
    - refurb 6y ago
      So what you’re saying is the minorities who voted for Trump are just dumb? Kind of racist to say that, no?
      - RealityVoid 6y ago
        Oh, no, not _all_ who voted for Trump are dumb.
- AQuantized 6y ago
  It would be a mistake to take some % increase as general approval from a demographic. If the demographic already had very little support prior, all it shows is that wasn't as bad as expected. In this case, Trump's policy having fewer discriminatory outcomes than expected doesn't mean they aren't racist. That's not to offer additional commentary on if him or his policy is racist, but that increase in support doesn't contradict the possibility.
  - paulddraper 6y ago
    > all it shows is that wasn't as bad as expected Yes.
- GuardianCaveman 6y ago
  Areas with the highest covid death rates voted for trump does that mean his covid policy was sound? Minorities like many vote against their own interest. Good people on both sides. I will give you the prison reform thing but that was Kushner and trump later expressed regret for it, and it was pandering.
  - mbergal 6y ago
    Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States as of November 6, 2020, by state ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...) Top 5: New Jersey New York Massachusetts Connecticut Louisiana
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tonitosou 6y ago
sure. 4 years of trump are to blame for racist rhetoric but surely not 47 years of biden. trump is not the problem he is the one that made the problem more visible. racism was always there.
refurb 6y ago
You just proved the OPs point. Well done.

paulddraper 6y ago

> a years-long record of racist policies Trump gained significant ground among racial minorities. So...IDK how to square that with your characterization of his 4 years of policies. PS. Lest you think the right has a monopoly on racism, I point you no further than California's attempted repeal of discrimination law (Prop 209). This is the same sort of inflated rhetoric/tribalism the grandparent was speaking of.

CameronNemo 6y ago
Trump received 8% of the votes of black people.
- paulddraper 6y ago
  12% according to NY Times [1], double what he got in 2016 [2]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examinati...
- taharvey 6y ago
  Proves only gullibility has no racial boundaries.
  - refurb 6y ago
    So what you’re saying is the minorities who voted for Trump are just dumb? Kind of racist to say that, no?
    - RealityVoid 6y ago
      Oh, no, not _all_ who voted for Trump are dumb.
AQuantized 6y ago
It would be a mistake to take some % increase as general approval from a demographic. If the demographic already had very little support prior, all it shows is that wasn't as bad as expected. In this case, Trump's policy having fewer discriminatory outcomes than expected doesn't mean they aren't racist. That's not to offer additional commentary on if him or his policy is racist, but that increase in support doesn't contradict the possibility.
- paulddraper 6y ago
  > all it shows is that wasn't as bad as expected Yes.
GuardianCaveman 6y ago
Areas with the highest covid death rates voted for trump does that mean his covid policy was sound? Minorities like many vote against their own interest. Good people on both sides. I will give you the prison reform thing but that was Kushner and trump later expressed regret for it, and it was pandering.
- mbergal 6y ago
  Death rates from coronavirus (COVID-19) in the United States as of November 6, 2020, by state ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...) Top 5: New Jersey New York Massachusetts Connecticut Louisiana
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tonitosou 6y ago

sure. 4 years of trump are to blame for racist rhetoric but surely not 47 years of biden. trump is not the problem he is the one that made the problem more visible. racism was always there.

refurb 6y ago

You just proved the OPs point. Well done.