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The only reason is because we are politically smart enough not to call them "wars" any more. He's personally responsible for the wholesale slaughter of people i

by lghh 6y ago

The only reason is because we are politically smart enough not to call them "wars" any more. He's personally responsible for the wholesale slaughter of people in Yemen - something Biden said he'd put an end to.

Helloworldboy 6y ago
As Obama’s vice president he’s responsible for more deaths and warmongering that donald trump. The Obama administration was blowing up wedding parties weekly with drone strikes
Beached 6y ago
it isn't really politics though. the term war has legal meaning that will invoke actions and rulings from treatied allies and the UN. if you call it a war, the world gets involved, if you call it a strategic campaign, every gets the option to turn. their heads and not get involved if they so choose
- lghh 6y ago
  That sounds precisely like politics.
- dodobirdlord 6y ago
  More importantly, since we’re talking about the United States, the President can’t actually start wars. Congress declares war. So mincing words about whether the President has technically started a “war” is vacuous. No President ever has. Given that context it’s easy to understand that people using the term War in the modern day to discuss the actions of a US President are not referring to the technical meaning of the term.
amadeuspagel 6y ago
The Saudi War on Yemen started in 2015, before Trump was even elected. How is he responsible for it?
- rrss 6y ago
  'lghh did not say Trump was involved in starting the war in Yemen. And yet he is still responsible for a lot that has happened in Yemen, both through directly through U.S. actions and indirectly through U.S. support of Saudi operations. The Saudi military is using American bombs dropped by American planes flown by pilots trained by Americans and serviced by American mechanics. U.S. Congress has attempted to reduce American involvement by blocking arms deals and invoking the War Powers Resolution, but Trump has bypassed or vetoed those attempts. He's a big fan of selling arms to the Saudis because he has said those sales create "over a million jobs" in America. Further reading: https://airwars.org/news-and-investigations/trump-in-yemen-new-study-shines-light-on-campaign/ https://airwars.org/news-and-investigations/trump-in-yemen-n... > Reported civilian deaths tracked by Airwars in 2017 significantly outstripped alleged deaths in any year during the Obama presidency https://airwars.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Eroding-Transparency-Trump-in-Yemen.-Airwars-October-2020.pdf https://airwars.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Eroding-Trans... > limited comparison of officially declared US actions supports the understanding that US military strikes in Yemen increased precipitously in the first year of the Trump presidency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Yakla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Yakla https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/president-trump-king-salman-sign-arms-deal/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/president-trump-king-sal... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/world/middleeast/trump-weapons-saudi-arabia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/world/middleeast/trump-we... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-arms/defying-congress-trump-sets-8-billion-plus-in-weapons-sales-to-saudi-arabia-uae-idUSKCN1SU25R https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-arms/defying-co... > The Trump administration informed congressional committees that it will go ahead with 22 military sales to the Saudis, United Arab Emirates and Jordan, infuriating lawmakers by circumventing a long-standing precedent for congressional review of major weapons sales. > Members of Congress had been blocking sales of offensive military equipment to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates for months, angry about the huge civilian toll from their air campaign in Yemen https://apnews.com/article/1b17cee217b344d8a3a03642139fb606 https://apnews.com/article/1b17cee217b344d8a3a03642139fb606 > President Donald Trump vetoed a resolution passed by Congress to end U.S. military assistance in Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/trump-civilian-casualties-rule-revoked.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/trump-civilia... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/us/politics/trump-loosen-counterterrorism-rules.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/us/politics/trump-loosen-... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/us/politics/trump-drone-strikes-commando-raids-rules.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/us/politics/trump-drone-s... > The Trump administration is preparing to dismantle key Obama-era limits on drone strikes and commando raids outside conventional battlefields https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/22/trumps-claim-jobs-saudi-deals-grows-by-leaps-bounds/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/22/trumps-cl...

by lghh 6y ago

Helloworldboy 6y ago

As Obama’s vice president he’s responsible for more deaths and warmongering that donald trump. The Obama administration was blowing up wedding parties weekly with drone strikes

Beached 6y ago

it isn't really politics though. the term war has legal meaning that will invoke actions and rulings from treatied allies and the UN. if you call it a war, the world gets involved, if you call it a strategic campaign, every gets the option to turn. their heads and not get involved if they so choose

lghh 6y ago
That sounds precisely like politics.
dodobirdlord 6y ago
More importantly, since we’re talking about the United States, the President can’t actually start wars. Congress declares war. So mincing words about whether the President has technically started a “war” is vacuous. No President ever has. Given that context it’s easy to understand that people using the term War in the modern day to discuss the actions of a US President are not referring to the technical meaning of the term.

amadeuspagel 6y ago

The Saudi War on Yemen started in 2015, before Trump was even elected. How is he responsible for it?

rrss 6y ago
'lghh did not say Trump was involved in starting the war in Yemen. And yet he is still responsible for a lot that has happened in Yemen, both through directly through U.S. actions and indirectly through U.S. support of Saudi operations. The Saudi military is using American bombs dropped by American planes flown by pilots trained by Americans and serviced by American mechanics. U.S. Congress has attempted to reduce American involvement by blocking arms deals and invoking the War Powers Resolution, but Trump has bypassed or vetoed those attempts. He's a big fan of selling arms to the Saudis because he has said those sales create "over a million jobs" in America. Further reading: https://airwars.org/news-and-investigations/trump-in-yemen-new-study-shines-light-on-campaign/ https://airwars.org/news-and-investigations/trump-in-yemen-n... > Reported civilian deaths tracked by Airwars in 2017 significantly outstripped alleged deaths in any year during the Obama presidency https://airwars.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Eroding-Transparency-Trump-in-Yemen.-Airwars-October-2020.pdf https://airwars.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Eroding-Trans... > limited comparison of officially declared US actions supports the understanding that US military strikes in Yemen increased precipitously in the first year of the Trump presidency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Yakla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Yakla https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/president-trump-king-salman-sign-arms-deal/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/president-trump-king-sal... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/world/middleeast/trump-weapons-saudi-arabia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/world/middleeast/trump-we... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-arms/defying-congress-trump-sets-8-billion-plus-in-weapons-sales-to-saudi-arabia-uae-idUSKCN1SU25R https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-arms/defying-co... > The Trump administration informed congressional committees that it will go ahead with 22 military sales to the Saudis, United Arab Emirates and Jordan, infuriating lawmakers by circumventing a long-standing precedent for congressional review of major weapons sales. > Members of Congress had been blocking sales of offensive military equipment to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates for months, angry about the huge civilian toll from their air campaign in Yemen https://apnews.com/article/1b17cee217b344d8a3a03642139fb606 https://apnews.com/article/1b17cee217b344d8a3a03642139fb606 > President Donald Trump vetoed a resolution passed by Congress to end U.S. military assistance in Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/trump-civilian-casualties-rule-revoked.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/trump-civilia... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/us/politics/trump-loosen-counterterrorism-rules.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/us/politics/trump-loosen-... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/us/politics/trump-drone-strikes-commando-raids-rules.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/us/politics/trump-drone-s... > The Trump administration is preparing to dismantle key Obama-era limits on drone strikes and commando raids outside conventional battlefields https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/22/trumps-claim-jobs-saudi-deals-grows-by-leaps-bounds/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/22/trumps-cl...