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Are the lives saved before or after including the hundreds of thousands of covid related deaths?

justinzollars 6y ago
The Syrian proxy war killed 500,000 Syrians. The war in Iraq killed 1 million.
jebronie 6y ago
Trump has not created the virus and followed the independent advice of Dr. Fauci. The UK, Spain and Belgium (all with the advantage of socialized healthcare) did even worse judging by per capita deaths. So he can't be that bad. I also think its quite disingenuous to compare his handling of the virus to the suffering and deaths caused by wars that only serve to establish economic and power advantages.
- jackson1442 6y ago
  > and followed the independent advice of Dr. Fauci Care to point out to me where he did this? As far as I can tell, he wants to fire Fauci, has continuously disregarded his advice, and loves undermining him: * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-fire-fauci-chants-after-election/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-fire-fauci-chants-a... * similar, via AP https://apnews.com/article/trump-threatens-fire-fauci-rift-disease-57c804db048aa7f1c99f227b495f52e6 https://apnews.com/article/trump-threatens-fire-fauci-rift-d... * https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/25/trumps-dumbfounding-refusal-encourage-wearing-masks/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/25/trumps-du... * https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wears-face-mask-in-public-first-time-coronavirus https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wears-face-mask-in-pu... (note the date on this one-- 11 july) * https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/us/politics/trump-fauci-covid.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/us/politics/trump-fauci-c... * https://apnews.com/article/00a1dc6f5932c9fe778ee5e9cabacc71 https://apnews.com/article/00a1dc6f5932c9fe778ee5e9cabacc71
jebronie 6y ago
What moral calculus allows deaths from a pandemic, even if the by-product of negligence and mismanagement, to be placed on the same moral plane as deaths from bombs, drones, tanks and bullets, or the displacement of tens of millions of people from the War on Terror, or the slave markets and anarchy that still persist after the NATO bombing of Libya championed by Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power, or the world’s worst humanitarian crisis from the U.S.-supported bombing campaign of Yemen that began under Obama? - Glenn Greenwald
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- matsemann 6y ago
  It's not about morality, but about responsibility.
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  - dzhiurgis 6y ago
    I'd say he failed to start any wars because he was just beyond incompetent...
ttt0 6y ago
People are dying from Covid in every country, regardless of who's in charge and what the approach is. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I really don't think that people would just magically stop dying under Biden.
- ben_w 6y ago
  New Zealand’s most recent registered Covid death was September 16th: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/nz https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/nz Mongolia has zero in total: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/mn https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/mn Even China is doing pretty well, with a current daily rate in the low single digits, compared to the hundreds to low thousands of the USA and the similarly poor performance of European and South American countries: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn

The Syrian proxy war killed 500,000 Syrians. The war in Iraq killed 1 million.

Trump has not created the virus and followed the independent advice of Dr. Fauci. The UK, Spain and Belgium (all with the advantage of socialized healthcare) did even worse judging by per capita deaths. So he can't be that bad. I also think its quite disingenuous to compare his handling of the virus to the suffering and deaths caused by wars that only serve to establish economic and power advantages.

jackson1442 6y ago
> and followed the independent advice of Dr. Fauci Care to point out to me where he did this? As far as I can tell, he wants to fire Fauci, has continuously disregarded his advice, and loves undermining him: * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-fire-fauci-chants-after-election/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-fire-fauci-chants-a... * similar, via AP https://apnews.com/article/trump-threatens-fire-fauci-rift-disease-57c804db048aa7f1c99f227b495f52e6 https://apnews.com/article/trump-threatens-fire-fauci-rift-d... * https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/25/trumps-dumbfounding-refusal-encourage-wearing-masks/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/25/trumps-du... * https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wears-face-mask-in-public-first-time-coronavirus https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wears-face-mask-in-pu... (note the date on this one-- 11 july) * https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/us/politics/trump-fauci-covid.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/us/politics/trump-fauci-c... * https://apnews.com/article/00a1dc6f5932c9fe778ee5e9cabacc71 https://apnews.com/article/00a1dc6f5932c9fe778ee5e9cabacc71

jebronie 6y ago

What moral calculus allows deaths from a pandemic, even if the by-product of negligence and mismanagement, to be placed on the same moral plane as deaths from bombs, drones, tanks and bullets, or the displacement of tens of millions of people from the War on Terror, or the slave markets and anarchy that still persist after the NATO bombing of Libya championed by Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power, or the world’s worst humanitarian crisis from the U.S.-supported bombing campaign of Yemen that began under Obama? - Glenn Greenwald

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matsemann 6y ago
It's not about morality, but about responsibility.
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- dzhiurgis 6y ago
  I'd say he failed to start any wars because he was just beyond incompetent...

ttt0 6y ago

People are dying from Covid in every country, regardless of who's in charge and what the approach is. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I really don't think that people would just magically stop dying under Biden.

ben_w 6y ago
New Zealand’s most recent registered Covid death was September 16th: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/nz https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/nz Mongolia has zero in total: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/mn https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/mn Even China is doing pretty well, with a current daily rate in the low single digits, compared to the hundreds to low thousands of the USA and the similarly poor performance of European and South American countries: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn