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Is it true? https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-trump-brought-home-the-endless-war https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-trump-brou..

Is it true? https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-trump-brought-home-the-endless-war https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-trump-brou... Trump brought war on US soil, Americans VS other Americans, is it better?

laverya 6y ago
I have no idea how this is relevant to a comment on US hegemony. Is this the comment you meant to reply to? If you mean to say that BLM in the US is comparable to the great wars of the 19th and 20th centuries, I'd say that you're off by a factor of a million in deaths.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  Well it is relevant because US egemony is dead. And it was about time. Also: US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051 https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-mil...
  - laverya 6y ago
    "Here's a benefit that US hegemony provides" "But what about BLM and domestic conflict, US hegemony is dead, and the US has killed a lot of people overseas" I still don't see the connection.
    - notreallytrue 6y ago
      The US hegemony hasn't provided any benefit to anybody, except if you count millions of dead people as a benefit. Did the impoverishment of the middle class happen before, after, or during the US hegemony? Did the large scale wars of the past 30 years happen before, after or during US hegemony? Did the international terrorism escalation happen bwfore, after or during the US hegemony? The west especially is poorer and less safe. Trump was simply the final nail in the coffin. I think people are just connecting dots here. I really hope Biden will realise it.
  - mcguire 6y ago
    "To the families and friends of these victims it makes little difference whether the causes were U.S. military action, proxy military forces, the provision of U.S. military supplies or advisors, or other ways, such as economic pressures applied by our nation." "The U.S. is responsible for between 1 and 1.8 million deaths during the war between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, by luring the Soviet Union into invading that nation." "Over the years we have repeatedly heard about the Khmer Rouge’s role in the deaths of millions in Cambodia without any acknowledgement being made this mass killing was made possible by the the U.S. bombing of that nation which destabilized it by death , injuries, hunger and dislocation of its people. So the U.S. bears responsibility not only for the deaths from the bombings but also for those resulting from the activities of the Khmer Rouge – a total of about 2.5 million people. Even when Vietnam latrer invaded Cambodia in 1979 the CIA was still supporting the Khmer Rouge." "Some people estimate that the number of Cuban forces killed range from 2,000, to 4,000. Another estimate is that 1,800 Cuban forces were killed on an open highway by napalm. This appears to have been a precursor of the Highway of Death in Iraq in 1991 when U.S. forces mercilessly annihilated large numbers of Iraqis on a highway." "Between 8,000 and 12,000 Nepalese have died since a civil war broke out in 1996. The death rate, according to Foreign Policy in Focus, sharply increased with the arrival of almost 8,400 American M-16 submachine guns (950 rpm) and U.S. advisers. Nepal is 85 percent rural and badly in need of land reform. Not surprisingly 42 % of its people live below the poverty level." "Yugoslavia was a socialist federation of several republics. Since it refused to be closely tied to the Soviet Union during the Cold War, it gained some suport from the U.S. But when the Soviet Union dissolved, Yugoslavia’s usefulness to the U.S. ended, and the U.S and Germany worked to convert its socialist economy to a capitalist one by a process primarily of dividing and conquering. There were ethnic and religious differences between various parts of Yugoslavia which were manipulated by the U.S. to cause several wars which resulted in the dissolution of that country. From the early 1990s until now Yugoslavia split into several independent nations whose lowered income, along with CIA connivance, has made it a pawn in the hands of capitalist countries. (1) The dissolution of Yugoslavia was caused primarily by the U.S." "Let us put this in historical perspective: the commemoration of the War to End All Wars acknowledges that 15 million lives were lost in the course of World War I (1914-18)." [But see the 1917-1919 flu pandemic, which may have started in the United States, making the US directly responsible for the deaths of 50 million people.]
  - saithound 6y ago
    > US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II Even if that article was remotely accurate (it isn't, see mcguire's comment), the kinds of wars that we fought before the US's new world order could produce that number of casualties in a single year (1942, 1945), so U.S. hegemony would still be a massive improvement. It's a massive improvement even over the two-pole world, as a quick glance at the battle deaths over time graph [1] shows. [1] https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-years https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-yea...
    - notreallytrue 6y ago
      Wow, you are arguing against a study by citing Vox Just WOW OK, let's make it easy for you --- VIETNAMESE AND INDOCHINA WAR: A TOTAL OF 5.5 MILLION DEAD THE VIETNAM WAR - 3.8 MILLION DEAD 1.7 MILLION MORE DEAD IN THE CAMBODIAN, KHMER ROUGE GENOCIDE Source for death toll: Necrometrics and British Medical Journal, 2008 --- TOTAL IRAQI'S KILLED IN AMERIAN WARS (1990-PRESENT) - 3 MILLION IRAQI SANCTIONS: 1.7 MILLION TOTAL DEAD [1] 500,000 CHILDREN DEAD [2][3] Source: [1] Behind the War on Terror. Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. 2003. [2] Food and Agricultural Organization Study (1995) [3] Iraq Sanctions Kill Children, U.N Reports (New York Times, 1995 --- Just these major events account to more than 10 million deaths And they stop at the first gulf war There are many more years to cover Good luck denying that > 1942, 1945 The massive improvement from 80 years ago happened even in third World countries run by warlord (financed by the US) So what? Can we not have another 80 years of US hegemony and compare the results? Is it asking too much? It's how science works: the US hegemony experiment is done and the results are meh, we ended up with Trump, now let's try something else and let's try not to bet on the wrong horse this time, ok guys?
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > you're off by a factor of a million in deaths. Well, it that's true it means that wars started by US have only caused less than fifty deaths... Given that the war in Afghanistan alone caused between 500.0000 and 800.000 deaths (depending on the source), the factor is more probably around 2 to 1 > Over 111,000 Afghans, including civilians, soldiers and militants, are estimated to have been killed in the conflict. The Cost of War project estimated that the number who have died through indirect causes related to the war may be as high as 360,000 additional people based on a ratio of indirect to direct deaths in contemporary conflicts. These numbers do not include those who have died in Pakistan
aksss 6y ago
You’re questioning if it’s better to kill other families at scale than kill our own family members (thus far) in edge cases? Nietzsche said, “in times of peace a warlike nation turns on itself”.

laverya 6y ago

I have no idea how this is relevant to a comment on US hegemony. Is this the comment you meant to reply to? If you mean to say that BLM in the US is comparable to the great wars of the 19th and 20th centuries, I'd say that you're off by a factor of a million in deaths.

romanoderoma 6y ago
Well it is relevant because US egemony is dead. And it was about time. Also: US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051 https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-mil...
- laverya 6y ago
  "Here's a benefit that US hegemony provides" "But what about BLM and domestic conflict, US hegemony is dead, and the US has killed a lot of people overseas" I still don't see the connection.
  - notreallytrue 6y ago
    The US hegemony hasn't provided any benefit to anybody, except if you count millions of dead people as a benefit. Did the impoverishment of the middle class happen before, after, or during the US hegemony? Did the large scale wars of the past 30 years happen before, after or during US hegemony? Did the international terrorism escalation happen bwfore, after or during the US hegemony? The west especially is poorer and less safe. Trump was simply the final nail in the coffin. I think people are just connecting dots here. I really hope Biden will realise it.
- mcguire 6y ago
  "To the families and friends of these victims it makes little difference whether the causes were U.S. military action, proxy military forces, the provision of U.S. military supplies or advisors, or other ways, such as economic pressures applied by our nation." "The U.S. is responsible for between 1 and 1.8 million deaths during the war between the Soviet Union and Afghanistan, by luring the Soviet Union into invading that nation." "Over the years we have repeatedly heard about the Khmer Rouge’s role in the deaths of millions in Cambodia without any acknowledgement being made this mass killing was made possible by the the U.S. bombing of that nation which destabilized it by death , injuries, hunger and dislocation of its people. So the U.S. bears responsibility not only for the deaths from the bombings but also for those resulting from the activities of the Khmer Rouge – a total of about 2.5 million people. Even when Vietnam latrer invaded Cambodia in 1979 the CIA was still supporting the Khmer Rouge." "Some people estimate that the number of Cuban forces killed range from 2,000, to 4,000. Another estimate is that 1,800 Cuban forces were killed on an open highway by napalm. This appears to have been a precursor of the Highway of Death in Iraq in 1991 when U.S. forces mercilessly annihilated large numbers of Iraqis on a highway." "Between 8,000 and 12,000 Nepalese have died since a civil war broke out in 1996. The death rate, according to Foreign Policy in Focus, sharply increased with the arrival of almost 8,400 American M-16 submachine guns (950 rpm) and U.S. advisers. Nepal is 85 percent rural and badly in need of land reform. Not surprisingly 42 % of its people live below the poverty level." "Yugoslavia was a socialist federation of several republics. Since it refused to be closely tied to the Soviet Union during the Cold War, it gained some suport from the U.S. But when the Soviet Union dissolved, Yugoslavia’s usefulness to the U.S. ended, and the U.S and Germany worked to convert its socialist economy to a capitalist one by a process primarily of dividing and conquering. There were ethnic and religious differences between various parts of Yugoslavia which were manipulated by the U.S. to cause several wars which resulted in the dissolution of that country. From the early 1990s until now Yugoslavia split into several independent nations whose lowered income, along with CIA connivance, has made it a pawn in the hands of capitalist countries. (1) The dissolution of Yugoslavia was caused primarily by the U.S." "Let us put this in historical perspective: the commemoration of the War to End All Wars acknowledges that 15 million lives were lost in the course of World War I (1914-18)." [But see the 1917-1919 flu pandemic, which may have started in the United States, making the US directly responsible for the deaths of 50 million people.]
- saithound 6y ago
  > US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II Even if that article was remotely accurate (it isn't, see mcguire's comment), the kinds of wars that we fought before the US's new world order could produce that number of casualties in a single year (1942, 1945), so U.S. hegemony would still be a massive improvement. It's a massive improvement even over the two-pole world, as a quick glance at the battle deaths over time graph [1] shows. [1] https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-years https://www.vox.com/2015/6/23/8832311/war-casualties-600-yea...
  - notreallytrue 6y ago
    Wow, you are arguing against a study by citing Vox Just WOW OK, let's make it easy for you --- VIETNAMESE AND INDOCHINA WAR: A TOTAL OF 5.5 MILLION DEAD THE VIETNAM WAR - 3.8 MILLION DEAD 1.7 MILLION MORE DEAD IN THE CAMBODIAN, KHMER ROUGE GENOCIDE Source for death toll: Necrometrics and British Medical Journal, 2008 --- TOTAL IRAQI'S KILLED IN AMERIAN WARS (1990-PRESENT) - 3 MILLION IRAQI SANCTIONS: 1.7 MILLION TOTAL DEAD [1] 500,000 CHILDREN DEAD [2][3] Source: [1] Behind the War on Terror. Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. 2003. [2] Food and Agricultural Organization Study (1995) [3] Iraq Sanctions Kill Children, U.N Reports (New York Times, 1995 --- Just these major events account to more than 10 million deaths And they stop at the first gulf war There are many more years to cover Good luck denying that > 1942, 1945 The massive improvement from 80 years ago happened even in third World countries run by warlord (financed by the US) So what? Can we not have another 80 years of US hegemony and compare the results? Is it asking too much? It's how science works: the US hegemony experiment is done and the results are meh, we ended up with Trump, now let's try something else and let's try not to bet on the wrong horse this time, ok guys?
romanoderoma 6y ago
> you're off by a factor of a million in deaths. Well, it that's true it means that wars started by US have only caused less than fifty deaths... Given that the war in Afghanistan alone caused between 500.0000 and 800.000 deaths (depending on the source), the factor is more probably around 2 to 1 > Over 111,000 Afghans, including civilians, soldiers and militants, are estimated to have been killed in the conflict. The Cost of War project estimated that the number who have died through indirect causes related to the war may be as high as 360,000 additional people based on a ratio of indirect to direct deaths in contemporary conflicts. These numbers do not include those who have died in Pakistan

aksss 6y ago

You’re questioning if it’s better to kill other families at scale than kill our own family members (thus far) in edge cases? Nietzsche said, “in times of peace a warlike nation turns on itself”.