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He did however through incompetence and neglect see more Amerians die from Covid during his tenure than a whole lot of wars.

gjs278 6y ago
the iraq body count is in the millions. unless you consider americans just worth more in general.
rtx 6y ago
As a brown person we are thankful for not being bombed.
- lghh 6y ago
  You must not live in Yemen.
- dlp211 6y ago
  The Trump admin has performed more drone strikes than the Obama admin. The difference is transparency. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-do...
nostromo 6y ago
American death rates are similar to many Western European countries. Lower than the UK and Spain, a bit higher than Italy and France.
- cptnapalm 6y ago
  Given New York City's very high rate, how would a person find out what the US w/o NYC compares?
  - nostromo 6y ago
    US deaths: 234,034 US population: 330,052,960 Death rate per million: 709 US deaths minus NY: 200,248 NY population: 310,674,858 Death rate per million: 644 You'd have to remove NJ and Connecticut (the top three states) to make much of a difference.
    - kybernetikos 6y ago
      Not just that, you'd be comparing with countries that also have major cities that are particularly badly affected and have not removed those figures from their total.
    - cptnapalm 6y ago
      Thank you.
- socialdemocrat 6y ago
  Which points to a terrible handling of COVID19 by Trump. Given the low population density of the US, the rate should be similar to other low density areas like e.g. Norway and Finland, yet it is more than 10x higher. The US has numbers comparable to high density countries with extensive use of public transport. That is just terrible outcomes for a country where everybody drives and live far apart.
  - syshum 6y ago
    US is a mix of High and Low Density, you can not just take the national population and divide by land mass to come up with how things "should have gone" with covid Nor is is really fair to even judge the Federal response to it at all, as under our system of government health care is largely a State matter not a federal one. Remember the United States is a Republic of 50 States, joined together under a common Defense and Monetary system. I don't for see large scale changes in policy under a Biden Presidency, you may get stronger messaging but power of the President is largely limited outside of dispersing money, and maybe requiring manufacturers to make certain things if there is a national shortage Masks Mandates, Lock Downs, etc will still fall under the purview of State Governors as this how our constitution divides the powers of the government
    - lostlogin 6y ago
      What’s the point of a government or a monetary and defence system if it doesn’t help protect health? Surely keeping citizens alive and well is about the most basic role of a government?
      - syshum 6y ago
        You would have to provide a stronger definition of what you mean by "help protect health" If you mean full on authoritarian rules where by the government arbitrarily decides by executive fiat who is allowed to work, leave their home, engage in commerce, or other wise gather in any way for months. I would say no that is not a proper role of a government in a free society that has any respect for civil or human rights...
- drunkpotato 6y ago
  Where are you getting those numbers? I am looking at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and see only Spain at a higher death per capita of the countries you listed. Even so, I don't think anyone is pointing to the UK and saying they did it right! And the US has a 20% higher per capita death rate than France, which I would call more than "a bit higher."
  - makomk 6y ago
    Recently, France has been reporting about half as many cases as the entire USA despite its smaller population, and last I checked their testing wasn't even as widespread as in the US. Their numbers keep going up too. I wouldn't rely on their death rate remaining lower.
  - nostromo 6y ago
    This link, which sources data from Johns Hopkins University. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... I have no idea where the worldometers.info data is coming from. Regardless of small differences, painting Covid-19 as a uniquely American problem stemming from American politics is silly. No countries have performed particularly well, despite trying everything from strict lockdowns to no response at all. East and South East Asia is outperforming, but that likely has more to do with past exposures and disease resistance than it is due to policy difference.
    - lostlogin 6y ago
      > No countries have performed particularly well, despite trying everything from strict lockdowns to no response at all. South Korea, Vietnam, Australia, Taiwan and New Zealand would seem to be examples countries that have minimises deaths.
      - nostromo 6y ago
        You clearly responded before reading the entire comment.
- cygx 6y ago
  Cf https://covid.observer/per-million/#failed https://covid.observer/per-million/#failed for a more comprehensive list.
- deleted 6y ago
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- a_thro_away 6y ago
  US is over twice Canada's mortality per capita. Trump did a deadly job in handling Corona.
- adamsea 6y ago
  IMHO that means that if the U.S. actually had a federal response, if, you know, the Trump administration was actually trying to use the federal government to help the country, that our numbers would be lower. Which, considering the wealth and expertise of the United States, makes a sort of sense. At least those other nations are actually making an effort, and not denying science and spreading false, destructive information.
dkdk8283 6y ago
Despair deaths will be off the charts as people are unable to return to work: we never should have locked down.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  A lock down which is properly implemented can work, with the most recent success being Australia. I’m in New Zealand and we are likely to have open borders with other clear areas in the not-too-distant future. Time will tell what the cost in dollars and lives looks like with various strategies (or lack thereof), but so far NZ’s approach seems a good choice.
  - deleted 6y ago
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Karunamon 6y ago
I'm going to ask this in a sincere hope of getting an answer, regardless of how flip it sounds: What specifically did Trump fail to do that you feel he should have done with regard to Covid? Keeping in mind that the US is a constitutional republic and does not have a lot of the same legal tools to compel people to do things en masse that other nations do.

gjs278 6y ago

the iraq body count is in the millions. unless you consider americans just worth more in general.

rtx 6y ago

As a brown person we are thankful for not being bombed.

lghh 6y ago
You must not live in Yemen.
dlp211 6y ago
The Trump admin has performed more drone strikes than the Obama admin. The difference is transparency. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-do...

nostromo 6y ago

American death rates are similar to many Western European countries. Lower than the UK and Spain, a bit higher than Italy and France.

cptnapalm 6y ago
Given New York City's very high rate, how would a person find out what the US w/o NYC compares?
- nostromo 6y ago
  US deaths: 234,034 US population: 330,052,960 Death rate per million: 709 US deaths minus NY: 200,248 NY population: 310,674,858 Death rate per million: 644 You'd have to remove NJ and Connecticut (the top three states) to make much of a difference.
  - kybernetikos 6y ago
    Not just that, you'd be comparing with countries that also have major cities that are particularly badly affected and have not removed those figures from their total.
  - cptnapalm 6y ago
    Thank you.
socialdemocrat 6y ago
Which points to a terrible handling of COVID19 by Trump. Given the low population density of the US, the rate should be similar to other low density areas like e.g. Norway and Finland, yet it is more than 10x higher. The US has numbers comparable to high density countries with extensive use of public transport. That is just terrible outcomes for a country where everybody drives and live far apart.
- syshum 6y ago
  US is a mix of High and Low Density, you can not just take the national population and divide by land mass to come up with how things "should have gone" with covid Nor is is really fair to even judge the Federal response to it at all, as under our system of government health care is largely a State matter not a federal one. Remember the United States is a Republic of 50 States, joined together under a common Defense and Monetary system. I don't for see large scale changes in policy under a Biden Presidency, you may get stronger messaging but power of the President is largely limited outside of dispersing money, and maybe requiring manufacturers to make certain things if there is a national shortage Masks Mandates, Lock Downs, etc will still fall under the purview of State Governors as this how our constitution divides the powers of the government
  - lostlogin 6y ago
    What’s the point of a government or a monetary and defence system if it doesn’t help protect health? Surely keeping citizens alive and well is about the most basic role of a government?
    - syshum 6y ago
      You would have to provide a stronger definition of what you mean by "help protect health" If you mean full on authoritarian rules where by the government arbitrarily decides by executive fiat who is allowed to work, leave their home, engage in commerce, or other wise gather in any way for months. I would say no that is not a proper role of a government in a free society that has any respect for civil or human rights...
drunkpotato 6y ago
Where are you getting those numbers? I am looking at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and see only Spain at a higher death per capita of the countries you listed. Even so, I don't think anyone is pointing to the UK and saying they did it right! And the US has a 20% higher per capita death rate than France, which I would call more than "a bit higher."
- makomk 6y ago
  Recently, France has been reporting about half as many cases as the entire USA despite its smaller population, and last I checked their testing wasn't even as widespread as in the US. Their numbers keep going up too. I wouldn't rely on their death rate remaining lower.
- nostromo 6y ago
  This link, which sources data from Johns Hopkins University. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... I have no idea where the worldometers.info data is coming from. Regardless of small differences, painting Covid-19 as a uniquely American problem stemming from American politics is silly. No countries have performed particularly well, despite trying everything from strict lockdowns to no response at all. East and South East Asia is outperforming, but that likely has more to do with past exposures and disease resistance than it is due to policy difference.
  - lostlogin 6y ago
    > No countries have performed particularly well, despite trying everything from strict lockdowns to no response at all. South Korea, Vietnam, Australia, Taiwan and New Zealand would seem to be examples countries that have minimises deaths.
    - nostromo 6y ago
      You clearly responded before reading the entire comment.
cygx 6y ago
Cf https://covid.observer/per-million/#failed https://covid.observer/per-million/#failed for a more comprehensive list.
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a_thro_away 6y ago
US is over twice Canada's mortality per capita. Trump did a deadly job in handling Corona.
adamsea 6y ago
IMHO that means that if the U.S. actually had a federal response, if, you know, the Trump administration was actually trying to use the federal government to help the country, that our numbers would be lower. Which, considering the wealth and expertise of the United States, makes a sort of sense. At least those other nations are actually making an effort, and not denying science and spreading false, destructive information.

dkdk8283 6y ago

Despair deaths will be off the charts as people are unable to return to work: we never should have locked down.

lostlogin 6y ago
A lock down which is properly implemented can work, with the most recent success being Australia. I’m in New Zealand and we are likely to have open borders with other clear areas in the not-too-distant future. Time will tell what the cost in dollars and lives looks like with various strategies (or lack thereof), but so far NZ’s approach seems a good choice.
- deleted 6y ago
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Karunamon 6y ago

I'm going to ask this in a sincere hope of getting an answer, regardless of how flip it sounds: What specifically did Trump fail to do that you feel he should have done with regard to Covid? Keeping in mind that the US is a constitutional republic and does not have a lot of the same legal tools to compel people to do things en masse that other nations do.