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Shouldn't we wait for the states to go through , in some cases, mandatory recounts and certification of the results and then the actual electoral college vote a

Shouldn't we wait for the states to go through , in some cases, mandatory recounts and certification of the results and then the actual electoral college vote after any legal appeals?

FandangoRanger 6y ago
No no that’s why you got downvoted. The media decides the election, not the Electoral College.
otterley 6y ago
History has shown that recounts rarely change anything beyond a few hundredths of a percent, if that (see: Florida 2000). The margins are wide enough, and there are enough states that tipped blue, that it is extremely unlikely as a matter of pure mathematics that there would be any change in outcome -- even if Trump's fans were granted every legal challenge on their wishlist. Courts are generally loath to grant relief when the outcome wouldn't change. ("Void as moot.")
- dawnerd 6y ago
  They would have to get thousands of votes tossed out which no judge is going to do. That would really leave a bad stain on the election that both parties rely on.
lwansbrough 6y ago
No, that’s never been a requirement for news media. California was called within 10 minutes of polls closing because it was expected to be a mathematical improbability of a Republican win in that state. Whenever a state gets called (and inevitably therefore the presidency), it is done because the math nerds at the media organizations put the odds of the other party winning outside the realm of what can realistically be achieved in the opinion of the analysts. There is no legal requirement to be eventually correct in your calls.
- hartator 6y ago
  Why Alaska wasn’t called as fast then?
  - hoten 6y ago
    Many remote communities, where votes must be delivered by plane or sled. Alaska is absolutely huge.
otabdeveloper4 6y ago
No, Orange Man Bad. This is different, you should know.
scrollaway 6y ago
Is this your first election? This has never been the case before (even in 2000 when the media got it wrong due to Florida). Why would or should it be the case now?
- somjeed 6y ago
  Are we just going to pretend like this election was not different from every other election? Something very unique occurred in this election and I don't appreciate the media and leaders declaring a winner when the other candidate is still contesting it. Why shouldn't we wait to be certain?
  - scrollaway 6y ago
    Leaders across the world are congratulating Biden and accepting the results. All of the US media is accepting the results. Even Fox News accepted the results. Most of the GOP is accepting the results. One man-child's tantrum does not a country make. The few in power that are sticking with Trump right now are absolutely deluded. His voters are simply misinformed, but will accept the truth soon enough. The results of the election are already certain. They've been certain for days, DDHQ (non-partisan) called them a long time ago and they were slow to do so. It is through an abundance of caution that news outlets waited to get past .5% margin in PA to call the results. It doesn't matter that Trump is contesting the results. He has lost all semblance of support (a miracle he had any in the first place). He was golfing when the results were being announced, I don't think even he cares that much; he's just scared and trying to cling to power. So no, we should not treat Trump differently: We should treat him as we would anyone throwing a tantrum like he does: Dismiss it and ignore it. The courts are dismissing it (8 cases lost/dismissed out of 8 filed), and the media is ignoring it. As long as the election is fair (which it was), and the results are correct (which they are), Biden is President. Let it be.
    - sneak 6y ago
      > Leaders across the world are congratulating Biden and accepting the results. All of the US media is accepting the results. Even Fox News accepted the results. Most of the GOP is accepting the results. Regardless about how you feel about this election, consensus does not determine election results, the law does, and the result of the application of the law is decided by a handful of people, none of whom you just listed.
david927 6y ago
100% but the media is free to project a winner at any time. I didn’t vote (both candidates were too conservative for me) but I’m deeply suspicious of the results and would like as much verification as possible.

Shouldn't we wait for the states to go through , in some cases, mandatory recounts and certification of the results and then the actual electoral college vote after any legal appeals?

FandangoRanger 6y ago

No no that’s why you got downvoted. The media decides the election, not the Electoral College.

otterley 6y ago

History has shown that recounts rarely change anything beyond a few hundredths of a percent, if that (see: Florida 2000). The margins are wide enough, and there are enough states that tipped blue, that it is extremely unlikely as a matter of pure mathematics that there would be any change in outcome -- even if Trump's fans were granted every legal challenge on their wishlist. Courts are generally loath to grant relief when the outcome wouldn't change. ("Void as moot.")

dawnerd 6y ago
They would have to get thousands of votes tossed out which no judge is going to do. That would really leave a bad stain on the election that both parties rely on.

lwansbrough 6y ago

No, that’s never been a requirement for news media. California was called within 10 minutes of polls closing because it was expected to be a mathematical improbability of a Republican win in that state. Whenever a state gets called (and inevitably therefore the presidency), it is done because the math nerds at the media organizations put the odds of the other party winning outside the realm of what can realistically be achieved in the opinion of the analysts. There is no legal requirement to be eventually correct in your calls.

hartator 6y ago
Why Alaska wasn’t called as fast then?
- hoten 6y ago
  Many remote communities, where votes must be delivered by plane or sled. Alaska is absolutely huge.

otabdeveloper4 6y ago

No, Orange Man Bad. This is different, you should know.

scrollaway 6y ago

Is this your first election? This has never been the case before (even in 2000 when the media got it wrong due to Florida). Why would or should it be the case now?

somjeed 6y ago
Are we just going to pretend like this election was not different from every other election? Something very unique occurred in this election and I don't appreciate the media and leaders declaring a winner when the other candidate is still contesting it. Why shouldn't we wait to be certain?
- scrollaway 6y ago
  Leaders across the world are congratulating Biden and accepting the results. All of the US media is accepting the results. Even Fox News accepted the results. Most of the GOP is accepting the results. One man-child's tantrum does not a country make. The few in power that are sticking with Trump right now are absolutely deluded. His voters are simply misinformed, but will accept the truth soon enough. The results of the election are already certain. They've been certain for days, DDHQ (non-partisan) called them a long time ago and they were slow to do so. It is through an abundance of caution that news outlets waited to get past .5% margin in PA to call the results. It doesn't matter that Trump is contesting the results. He has lost all semblance of support (a miracle he had any in the first place). He was golfing when the results were being announced, I don't think even he cares that much; he's just scared and trying to cling to power. So no, we should not treat Trump differently: We should treat him as we would anyone throwing a tantrum like he does: Dismiss it and ignore it. The courts are dismissing it (8 cases lost/dismissed out of 8 filed), and the media is ignoring it. As long as the election is fair (which it was), and the results are correct (which they are), Biden is President. Let it be.
  - sneak 6y ago
    > Leaders across the world are congratulating Biden and accepting the results. All of the US media is accepting the results. Even Fox News accepted the results. Most of the GOP is accepting the results. Regardless about how you feel about this election, consensus does not determine election results, the law does, and the result of the application of the law is decided by a handful of people, none of whom you just listed.

david927 6y ago

100% but the media is free to project a winner at any time. I didn’t vote (both candidates were too conservative for me) but I’m deeply suspicious of the results and would like as much verification as possible.