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I am holding my breath until Jan 6th at least when electoral college votes: Url: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641 https://crsreports.cong

by rixrax 6y ago

I am holding my breath until Jan 6th at least when electoral college votes: Url: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641 The Electoral College: A 2020 Presidential Election Timeline

minimaxir 6y ago
Faithless electors will not invalidate the results, especially in this case where Biden has much more than 270 electoral votes.
- Izkata 6y ago
  Still a bit early to say "much more": Arizona can still flip (it's been inching ever closer and is at 0.6% difference at 90% counted) and Georgia has already announced a recount because it's so close. If those do both actually end up in Trumps favor, that puts him only 11 electoral votes short. If the voting machine errors in Michigan do turn out to be a thing (and the error is large enough), or he wins legal battles there or in Pennsylvania, that's enough to flip the whole election. It's a very long shot, but this isn't actually over yet until everything is counted and verified.
  - GavinMcG 6y ago
    The legal battles in Pennsylvania aren't even substantial enough to trigger a mandatory recount - the number of ballots the GOP is fighting over is too small. Also, the Michigan "errors" were errors in publishing the data, not in balloting: https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127--544676--,00.html https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127--544676--,00.html
  - MilnerRoute 6y ago
    Michigan's results are accurate, and were never in question after one county's glitch. “Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results,” the Department of State said. https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-technology-voting-michigan-6beeef230376e75252d6eaa91db3f88f https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-technology...
- CalChris 6y ago
  Probably true but faithless elector laws are at the state level. There were 7 validated faithless electors in 2016, the most ever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016... https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector#Legal_rulings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector#Legal_ruling...
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    All of them knew their symbolic votes would not change the result, and they didn't all switch in the same direction. The majority of them were pledged to the loser Democrat, and went faithless so that Republicans could be faithless without risking electing a democrat. Only 2 Republicans took the bait, and that only happened because many Republicans hated Trump, whereas Biden is extremely popular among Democrats.
  - minimaxir 6y ago
    2016 had a similar electoral vote margin, so a few faithless electors could not and did not affect the outcome. If today's electoral vote split was 270-268 (as was a possibility if Trump won PA and GA), then things may have been more iffy.
bialpio 6y ago
Nitpick: they vote on Dec 14th, but the votes are counted on Jan 6th. Thanks for the link, very educational!
pstrateman 6y ago
Yeah... there's questions about mail-in/absentee voting that are going to the supreme court. 'Justice Alito temporarily grants Pennsylvania GOP request to enforce segregation of ballots that arrived after Election Day' https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pennsylvania-ballots-gop/2020/11/06/064fdf94-2056-11eb-90dd-abd0f7086a91_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pennsylvania-ballots...
- hilbertseries 6y ago
  They’ve been keeping those ballots separate and their are 1k of them. They don’t matter.
  - ddalex 6y ago
    I've been told that every vote matters
- lwansbrough 6y ago
  That was already the policy and was happening before the ruling, the ruling basically just formalized the policy. Doesn’t change anything.
- GavinMcG 6y ago
  There really aren't; as that article says, the state was already doing what the GOP sued to require, and those ballots are both small enough in number and likely enough to favor Biden that even saying there are "questions" is overblown.
- otterley 6y ago
  They were already doing that; and even if they weren't, it would not change the outcome. Remember that when it comes to non-emergency motions, courts are unlikely to grant the form of relief requested when doing so would be moot.
- MisterBastahrd 6y ago
  They don't matter. Biden's margin in PA is without those votes.
otterley 6y ago
Democrats prayed for such an occurrence in 2016 to no avail. Why do you believe the results will be different this time?
- RandallBrown 6y ago
  Georgia and Pennsylvania don't have laws preventing faithless electors from voting against their state's winning candidate. It's looking like the lead will be big enough that even in the (very) small chance things go wrong it won't matter.
  - ibejoeb 6y ago
    >small chance things go wrong for some definition of wrong
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    I severely doubt that someone would non-anonymously choose to be the single person that gave away the election to their declared opponent, weeks after being a loyal partisan.
    - anonymousab 6y ago
      If there's one thing I don't doubt, it's people's dedication to a president they believe is the only person fighting the 'deep state' and other things along those lines. I can easily see it spun (or justified) as "defending democracy" rather than upending it.
      - otterley 6y ago
        Then why didn't it happen with faithless electors in 2016?
        tu12 6y ago
        There were 10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016...
ed25519FUUU 6y ago
Dec 14th is a better deadline to watch. That's the date at which a state's "Certificates of Ascertainment" is due. If they miss this deadline, the electorate votes are forfeited. Keep in mind some of these swing states don't have strong one-party control of the state legislatures, and there could be a strong appetite for a recount or closer scrutiny of the ballots. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641
Svip 6y ago
The Electoral College votes on the first Monday after the 2nd Wednesday in December; so the 14th. What happens on 6 January is Congress ratifying the electoral votes. And it's the state legislatures that effectively elect their state's electors, which needs to be done before 14 December.
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by rixrax 6y ago

minimaxir 6y ago

Faithless electors will not invalidate the results, especially in this case where Biden has much more than 270 electoral votes.

Izkata 6y ago
Still a bit early to say "much more": Arizona can still flip (it's been inching ever closer and is at 0.6% difference at 90% counted) and Georgia has already announced a recount because it's so close. If those do both actually end up in Trumps favor, that puts him only 11 electoral votes short. If the voting machine errors in Michigan do turn out to be a thing (and the error is large enough), or he wins legal battles there or in Pennsylvania, that's enough to flip the whole election. It's a very long shot, but this isn't actually over yet until everything is counted and verified.
- GavinMcG 6y ago
  The legal battles in Pennsylvania aren't even substantial enough to trigger a mandatory recount - the number of ballots the GOP is fighting over is too small. Also, the Michigan "errors" were errors in publishing the data, not in balloting: https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127--544676--,00.html https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127--544676--,00.html
- MilnerRoute 6y ago
  Michigan's results are accurate, and were never in question after one county's glitch. “Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results,” the Department of State said. https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-technology-voting-michigan-6beeef230376e75252d6eaa91db3f88f https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-technology...
CalChris 6y ago
Probably true but faithless elector laws are at the state level. There were 7 validated faithless electors in 2016, the most ever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016... https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector#Legal_rulings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector#Legal_ruling...
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  All of them knew their symbolic votes would not change the result, and they didn't all switch in the same direction. The majority of them were pledged to the loser Democrat, and went faithless so that Republicans could be faithless without risking electing a democrat. Only 2 Republicans took the bait, and that only happened because many Republicans hated Trump, whereas Biden is extremely popular among Democrats.
- minimaxir 6y ago
  2016 had a similar electoral vote margin, so a few faithless electors could not and did not affect the outcome. If today's electoral vote split was 270-268 (as was a possibility if Trump won PA and GA), then things may have been more iffy.

bialpio 6y ago

Nitpick: they vote on Dec 14th, but the votes are counted on Jan 6th. Thanks for the link, very educational!

pstrateman 6y ago

Yeah... there's questions about mail-in/absentee voting that are going to the supreme court. 'Justice Alito temporarily grants Pennsylvania GOP request to enforce segregation of ballots that arrived after Election Day' https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pennsylvania-ballots-gop/2020/11/06/064fdf94-2056-11eb-90dd-abd0f7086a91_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pennsylvania-ballots...

hilbertseries 6y ago
They’ve been keeping those ballots separate and their are 1k of them. They don’t matter.
- ddalex 6y ago
  I've been told that every vote matters
lwansbrough 6y ago
That was already the policy and was happening before the ruling, the ruling basically just formalized the policy. Doesn’t change anything.
GavinMcG 6y ago
There really aren't; as that article says, the state was already doing what the GOP sued to require, and those ballots are both small enough in number and likely enough to favor Biden that even saying there are "questions" is overblown.
otterley 6y ago
They were already doing that; and even if they weren't, it would not change the outcome. Remember that when it comes to non-emergency motions, courts are unlikely to grant the form of relief requested when doing so would be moot.
MisterBastahrd 6y ago
They don't matter. Biden's margin in PA is without those votes.

otterley 6y ago

Democrats prayed for such an occurrence in 2016 to no avail. Why do you believe the results will be different this time?

RandallBrown 6y ago
Georgia and Pennsylvania don't have laws preventing faithless electors from voting against their state's winning candidate. It's looking like the lead will be big enough that even in the (very) small chance things go wrong it won't matter.
- ibejoeb 6y ago
  >small chance things go wrong for some definition of wrong
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  I severely doubt that someone would non-anonymously choose to be the single person that gave away the election to their declared opponent, weeks after being a loyal partisan.
  - anonymousab 6y ago
    If there's one thing I don't doubt, it's people's dedication to a president they believe is the only person fighting the 'deep state' and other things along those lines. I can easily see it spun (or justified) as "defending democracy" rather than upending it.
    - otterley 6y ago
      Then why didn't it happen with faithless electors in 2016?
      - tu12 6y ago
        There were 10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016...

ed25519FUUU 6y ago

Dec 14th is a better deadline to watch. That's the date at which a state's "Certificates of Ascertainment" is due. If they miss this deadline, the electorate votes are forfeited. Keep in mind some of these swing states don't have strong one-party control of the state legislatures, and there could be a strong appetite for a recount or closer scrutiny of the ballots. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641

Svip 6y ago

The Electoral College votes on the first Monday after the 2nd Wednesday in December; so the 14th. What happens on 6 January is Congress ratifying the electoral votes. And it's the state legislatures that effectively elect their state's electors, which needs to be done before 14 December.

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