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Every intelligence agency in the US and numerous foreign intelligence agencies substantiated those claims.

by altdatathrow 6y ago

Izkata 6y ago
Different claim. Interference is not aid. Aid was disproven, interference was proven.
- pjc50 6y ago
  Could you elaborate on what the difference is supposed to be?
  - legolas2412 6y ago
    Russian interfered via hacking emails, leaking them, polarizing voters by advertisement (only worth 100k$ though), and maybe even leaking a fake steele dossier. But no american has been even indicted of collusion with russia, from what I understand. So trump campaign did not work with russia, even if russia put in efforts that helped trump
    - omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
      Russia's interference in the election still aided Trump's campaign, even if the DOJ was unable to conclusively prove there was any collusion to obtain that aid.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-mueller-report-says-about-jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-donald-n995866 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-mueller-... The Mueller Report documents that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump meant with Russians multiple times to coordinate political activities during the 2016 campaign. They weren't indicted because AG Barr, Donald Trump's personal appointee, has refused to indict them. It is very possible that they could be indicted within the next year.
      - threatofrain 6y ago
        One administration prosecuting another would be unprecedented and probably embittering, regardless of its value to truth and justice.
        gamblor956 6y ago
        It would not be one administration prosecuting another, it would be non-partisan prosecutors prosecuting criminals. Donald Trump attempted to politicize the DOJ, but otherwise it is a non-political entity and has prosecuted Republicans and Democrats alike during previous administrations.
        threatofrain 6y ago
        What Donald Trump demonstrated was that the DOJ and judiciary are structurally partisan even if they were culturally neutral.
    - happytoexplain 6y ago
      It's important to remember that "unproven" and even "disproven" are not equivalent to "unsubstantiated". Otherwise, it would be impossible to make any reasonable criticism of anybody for anything. The Russia question was a criticism that came from something. Trump's various claims come from nothing.
      - im3w1l 6y ago
        I've seen some claims of voting irregularities that I find credible. But think more local guy decides on his own to do small scale cheating, rather than an organized campaign. And I suspect it's not big enough to matter. For Trump to declare himself winner is certainly reckless.

Every intelligence agency in the US and numerous foreign intelligence agencies substantiated those claims.

Izkata 6y ago

Different claim. Interference is not aid. Aid was disproven, interference was proven.

pjc50 6y ago
Could you elaborate on what the difference is supposed to be?
- legolas2412 6y ago
  Russian interfered via hacking emails, leaking them, polarizing voters by advertisement (only worth 100k$ though), and maybe even leaking a fake steele dossier. But no american has been even indicted of collusion with russia, from what I understand. So trump campaign did not work with russia, even if russia put in efforts that helped trump
  - omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
    Russia's interference in the election still aided Trump's campaign, even if the DOJ was unable to conclusively prove there was any collusion to obtain that aid.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-mueller-report-says-about-jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-donald-n995866 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-mueller-... The Mueller Report documents that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump meant with Russians multiple times to coordinate political activities during the 2016 campaign. They weren't indicted because AG Barr, Donald Trump's personal appointee, has refused to indict them. It is very possible that they could be indicted within the next year.
    - threatofrain 6y ago
      One administration prosecuting another would be unprecedented and probably embittering, regardless of its value to truth and justice.
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        It would not be one administration prosecuting another, it would be non-partisan prosecutors prosecuting criminals. Donald Trump attempted to politicize the DOJ, but otherwise it is a non-political entity and has prosecuted Republicans and Democrats alike during previous administrations.
        threatofrain 6y ago
        What Donald Trump demonstrated was that the DOJ and judiciary are structurally partisan even if they were culturally neutral.
  - happytoexplain 6y ago
    It's important to remember that "unproven" and even "disproven" are not equivalent to "unsubstantiated". Otherwise, it would be impossible to make any reasonable criticism of anybody for anything. The Russia question was a criticism that came from something. Trump's various claims come from nothing.
    - im3w1l 6y ago
      I've seen some claims of voting irregularities that I find credible. But think more local guy decides on his own to do small scale cheating, rather than an organized campaign. And I suspect it's not big enough to matter. For Trump to declare himself winner is certainly reckless.