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Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Election law doesn’t agree with your assertion.
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  I was making a qualitative judgement. However, to your point election law differs form state to state so what you've said is nonsensical. In PA this is under review by the state and US supreme court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/110620zr_g31i.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/110620zr_g31... Welcome to a crash course in civics.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    This is actually not under review by the PA state courts, and the case was rejected by the SCOTUS twice already. Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection, so the result of the case is irrelevant to the outcome of the election. Welcome to a crash course in reality.
    - googthrowaway42 6y ago
      > Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection False. That was fake news put out by the New York Times.
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        False. That was actual facts put out by the Pennsylvania secretary of state, and reiterated by the local officials in every single district in the state of Pennsylvania. All of the ballot-counting has been under the watch of observers on both sides of the aisle, including especially multiple Republican observers. Republican observers have confirmed that ballots that arrived after the deadline have either not been counted or have been counted separately from votes received on/by election day. If those segregated ballots were included in the count, Biden's lead would exceed 100k in PA. The actual Republican partisans on the ground with actual knowledge of what's going on acknowledge that nothing illegal has happened in the PA vote count. Your guy lost fair and square. Accept it and move on.
        googthrowaway42 6y ago
        False. Find me the statement. All they said was that the ballots had been segregated, not that they hadn't been counted.
        gamblor956 6y ago
        I don't need to prove anything, since you're the one claiming that procedures were violated despite first-hand testimony from Republican observers that procedures were not. The late-arriving ballots were both physically segregated, and counted separately from the timely ballots by separate government employees, in pairs including one Democrat and one Republican. Before numbers are reported, the numbers in each batch are confirmed by employees locally and at the state level to make sure they match the number of ballots in that batch, and these numbers are reviewed by Democratic and Republican employees. Segregated numbers have not been reported in this manner because the courts ordered them not to, so the numbers are kept separately and were not included in the official count. Because of the court order, most of the segregated ballots have not yet been counted. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pennsylvania-ballots-gop/2020/11/06/064fdf94-2056-11eb-90dd-abd0f7086a91_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pennsylvania-ballots... (noting that Alito's order had no effect because that was what the ballot officials were already doing as a result of earlier state court orders.)
gamblor956 6y ago
Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. No, there are allegations of USPS workers coming forward from conspiracy boards. In truth, there were no such USPS workers testifying, or even claiming, any of that. Even FOX News and One America couldn't find any evidence supporting the existence of these supposed USPS workers. And on another note: military votes have been allowed to arrive after election day since at least WWII. Are you saying that most of the military votes cast in the past 6 decades are fraudulent? And on a final note: it hasn't been possible to backdate postdates for at least a decade, as the USPS records when mail is received separately and in addition to the postdate, and it isn't possible to backdate that data unless you have access to the USPS database. Considering that the USPS is run by a Trump appointee, it is very unlikely that Democrats have that sort of access.
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  You're quite literally lying or severely misinformed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-D-2GOswwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-D-2GOswwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw
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  - gamblor956 6y ago
    Ah, Project Veritas, an organization whose founder has been convicted of fraud and who has a history of falsying and modifying evidence. Fox News and One America refused to air these videos because they couldn't track down any of these supposed whistleblowers and in fact, Fox News said they couldn't find any proof that these supposed postal workers even exist. Also, you do know that the USPS Postmaster is a huge Trump Supporter so any allegations of backdating involving the Postmaster would relate to backdating Republican ballots, not Democratic ballots? And in such case, Project Veritas has provided evidence of voter fraud by the current sitting president of the USPS. Next time, you may want to think before you link.

toomuchtodo 6y ago

Election law doesn’t agree with your assertion.

googthrowaway42 6y ago
I was making a qualitative judgement. However, to your point election law differs form state to state so what you've said is nonsensical. In PA this is under review by the state and US supreme court: https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/110620zr_g31i.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/110620zr_g31... Welcome to a crash course in civics.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  This is actually not under review by the PA state courts, and the case was rejected by the SCOTUS twice already. Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection, so the result of the case is irrelevant to the outcome of the election. Welcome to a crash course in reality.
  - googthrowaway42 6y ago
    > Moreover, the segregated votes were not included in this projection False. That was fake news put out by the New York Times.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      False. That was actual facts put out by the Pennsylvania secretary of state, and reiterated by the local officials in every single district in the state of Pennsylvania. All of the ballot-counting has been under the watch of observers on both sides of the aisle, including especially multiple Republican observers. Republican observers have confirmed that ballots that arrived after the deadline have either not been counted or have been counted separately from votes received on/by election day. If those segregated ballots were included in the count, Biden's lead would exceed 100k in PA. The actual Republican partisans on the ground with actual knowledge of what's going on acknowledge that nothing illegal has happened in the PA vote count. Your guy lost fair and square. Accept it and move on.
      - googthrowaway42 6y ago
        False. Find me the statement. All they said was that the ballots had been segregated, not that they hadn't been counted.
        gamblor956 6y ago
        I don't need to prove anything, since you're the one claiming that procedures were violated despite first-hand testimony from Republican observers that procedures were not. The late-arriving ballots were both physically segregated, and counted separately from the timely ballots by separate government employees, in pairs including one Democrat and one Republican. Before numbers are reported, the numbers in each batch are confirmed by employees locally and at the state level to make sure they match the number of ballots in that batch, and these numbers are reviewed by Democratic and Republican employees. Segregated numbers have not been reported in this manner because the courts ordered them not to, so the numbers are kept separately and were not included in the official count. Because of the court order, most of the segregated ballots have not yet been counted. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pennsylvania-ballots-gop/2020/11/06/064fdf94-2056-11eb-90dd-abd0f7086a91_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pennsylvania-ballots... (noting that Alito's order had no effect because that was what the ballot officials were already doing as a result of earlier state court orders.)

gamblor956 6y ago

Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. No, there are allegations of USPS workers coming forward from conspiracy boards. In truth, there were no such USPS workers testifying, or even claiming, any of that. Even FOX News and One America couldn't find any evidence supporting the existence of these supposed USPS workers. And on another note: military votes have been allowed to arrive after election day since at least WWII. Are you saying that most of the military votes cast in the past 6 decades are fraudulent? And on a final note: it hasn't been possible to backdate postdates for at least a decade, as the USPS records when mail is received separately and in addition to the postdate, and it isn't possible to backdate that data unless you have access to the USPS database. Considering that the USPS is run by a Trump appointee, it is very unlikely that Democrats have that sort of access.

googthrowaway42 6y ago
You're quite literally lying or severely misinformed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-D-2GOswwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-D-2GOswwA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7yNZsa8x0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6xOuhsiJw
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- gamblor956 6y ago
  Ah, Project Veritas, an organization whose founder has been convicted of fraud and who has a history of falsying and modifying evidence. Fox News and One America refused to air these videos because they couldn't track down any of these supposed whistleblowers and in fact, Fox News said they couldn't find any proof that these supposed postal workers even exist. Also, you do know that the USPS Postmaster is a huge Trump Supporter so any allegations of backdating involving the Postmaster would relate to backdating Republican ballots, not Democratic ballots? And in such case, Project Veritas has provided evidence of voter fraud by the current sitting president of the USPS. Next time, you may want to think before you link.