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He's literally lying at this point and putting the democratic system of the US in jeopardy by saying he "won by a lot". Terminate his account. He doesn't have a

He's literally lying at this point and putting the democratic system of the US in jeopardy by saying he "won by a lot". Terminate his account. He doesn't have a right to post dangerous falsehoods on a third-party platform.

baby 6y ago
I'm wondering if there are any legal implications to the harm he's done, in terms of division and decreasing trust in the democracy.
ttul 6y ago
Dorsey has said that much of what Trump says on the platform is newsworthy, and therefore Twitter allows it. Were they to suspend Trump’s account, it would necessarily be because his Tweets are no longer newsworthy. I can’t see that happening.
- mmastrac 6y ago
  I think once he's no longer president he'll have a very difficult time maintaining a Twitter account in good standing.
curiousgal 6y ago
> the democratic system of the US Talk about an oxymoron, eh?
hnuser847 6y ago
Did the Democrats put the democratic system at risk when they made unsubstantiated claims that Trump stole the election with the aid of a foreign power? Edit: Based the downvotes, I’ll take that as a no. When your team claims fraud, you’re protecting democracy. When the other team claims fraud, they’re destroying democracy. Got it.
- mynameishere 6y ago
  It's enemy territory now, bud.
  - hnuser847 6y ago
    I’m not on either side. I’m just calling out partisans for their obvious hypocrisy.
    - _dibly 6y ago
      Calling out partisans for hypocrisy is commendable, using a weak false equivalence to do it when there isn't any basis for it makes you look mad.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - happytoexplain 6y ago
      I don't think this is hypocrisy - one of the two examples is more justified, realistically speaking, than the other.
- secondcoming 6y ago
  Unfortunately, when it comes to US politics, HN is no different to reddit. Enjoy the slide. Edit: Wheeeee! Am I on AOC's naughty list now?
- altdatathrow 6y ago
  Every intelligence agency in the US and numerous foreign intelligence agencies substantiated those claims.
  - Izkata 6y ago
    Different claim. Interference is not aid. Aid was disproven, interference was proven.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      Could you elaborate on what the difference is supposed to be?
      - legolas2412 6y ago
        Russian interfered via hacking emails, leaking them, polarizing voters by advertisement (only worth 100k$ though), and maybe even leaking a fake steele dossier. But no american has been even indicted of collusion with russia, from what I understand. So trump campaign did not work with russia, even if russia put in efforts that helped trump
        omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
        Russia's interference in the election still aided Trump's campaign, even if the DOJ was unable to conclusively prove there was any collusion to obtain that aid.
        gamblor956 6y ago
        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-mueller-report-says-about-jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-donald-n995866 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-mueller-... The Mueller Report documents that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump meant with Russians multiple times to coordinate political activities during the 2016 campaign. They weren't indicted because AG Barr, Donald Trump's personal appointee, has refused to indict them. It is very possible that they could be indicted within the next year.
- sergioro 6y ago
  Trump will win this election because there is more than enough evidence of voter fraud in favor of Biden particularly in the swing states PI, MI, WI, NV. Here's some evidence of how the democrats are trying to steal the election: https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/ https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical...
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Every time this gets near a court it gets thrown due to lack of evidence.
  - libraryatnight 6y ago
    That evidence is not evidence. Do you think this is facebook and I'm your computer illiterate aunt?
  - NicoJuicy 6y ago
    Debunked... https://mobile.twitter.com/gelbach/status/1324760993692590081 https://mobile.twitter.com/gelbach/status/132476099369259008...
- libraryatnight 6y ago
  they were substantiated though. it's a fact at this point.
- NicoJuicy 6y ago
  https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-201...
- bsg75 6y ago
  No, because those concerns were based on investigations. Trup is simply throwing a tantrum online because he can’t behave like an adult in the face of defeat. Also based on evidence he knows he is potentially inciting violence, because any concerns are to be addressed in the courts, not on social media.
altdatathrow 6y ago
> He's literally lying at this point and putting the democratic system of the US in jeopardy That was a true statement for the past 4 years.
- deleted 6y ago
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sergioro 6y ago
There is mathematical proof that the DNC is stealing the election: https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/ https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical... . Please help me achieve a negative vote reputation today for defending democracy, I'm honored.
- Kye 6y ago
  Well that sure looks unbiased. This is sarcasm.
  - AnHonestComment 6y ago
    Okay — but can you point to any mistakes? Your comment is just a poisoning the well ad hominem: I believe that comments on HN should be substantive replies.
  - sergioro 6y ago
    That study has references to the data sources, including web-archived snapshots of official government websites. What is bias the US national media which published totally wrong polls that predicted a democratic "blue-wave" and is ignoring all of the fraud evidence.
- TheCoelacanth 6y ago
  Most of these claims are easily debunked. Wisconsin[1] and Michigan had turnout in the low 70s, not close to 100% as claimed. Turnout was high, but only a few points higher than recent years. There legitimately are some batches of votes where Biden got close to 100% of the votes due to segregation and mail-in votes being counted separately. The mail-in votes in a predominately black area should be expected to be close to 100% for Biden. It would be suspicious if they weren't. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/05/fact-check-wisconsin-voter-turnout-line-past-elections/6176028002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/05/fac... [2] https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/05/michigan-election-2020-live-updates-biden-peters-win-michigan/6169303002/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/...

baby 6y ago

I'm wondering if there are any legal implications to the harm he's done, in terms of division and decreasing trust in the democracy.

ttul 6y ago

Dorsey has said that much of what Trump says on the platform is newsworthy, and therefore Twitter allows it. Were they to suspend Trump’s account, it would necessarily be because his Tweets are no longer newsworthy. I can’t see that happening.

mmastrac 6y ago
I think once he's no longer president he'll have a very difficult time maintaining a Twitter account in good standing.

curiousgal 6y ago

> the democratic system of the US Talk about an oxymoron, eh?

hnuser847 6y ago

Did the Democrats put the democratic system at risk when they made unsubstantiated claims that Trump stole the election with the aid of a foreign power? Edit: Based the downvotes, I’ll take that as a no. When your team claims fraud, you’re protecting democracy. When the other team claims fraud, they’re destroying democracy. Got it.

mynameishere 6y ago
It's enemy territory now, bud.
- hnuser847 6y ago
  I’m not on either side. I’m just calling out partisans for their obvious hypocrisy.
  - _dibly 6y ago
    Calling out partisans for hypocrisy is commendable, using a weak false equivalence to do it when there isn't any basis for it makes you look mad.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - happytoexplain 6y ago
    I don't think this is hypocrisy - one of the two examples is more justified, realistically speaking, than the other.
secondcoming 6y ago
Unfortunately, when it comes to US politics, HN is no different to reddit. Enjoy the slide. Edit: Wheeeee! Am I on AOC's naughty list now?
altdatathrow 6y ago
Every intelligence agency in the US and numerous foreign intelligence agencies substantiated those claims.
- Izkata 6y ago
  Different claim. Interference is not aid. Aid was disproven, interference was proven.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Could you elaborate on what the difference is supposed to be?
    - legolas2412 6y ago
      Russian interfered via hacking emails, leaking them, polarizing voters by advertisement (only worth 100k$ though), and maybe even leaking a fake steele dossier. But no american has been even indicted of collusion with russia, from what I understand. So trump campaign did not work with russia, even if russia put in efforts that helped trump
      - omgwtfbyobbq 6y ago
        Russia's interference in the election still aided Trump's campaign, even if the DOJ was unable to conclusively prove there was any collusion to obtain that aid.
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-mueller-report-says-about-jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-donald-n995866 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-mueller-... The Mueller Report documents that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump meant with Russians multiple times to coordinate political activities during the 2016 campaign. They weren't indicted because AG Barr, Donald Trump's personal appointee, has refused to indict them. It is very possible that they could be indicted within the next year.
sergioro 6y ago
Trump will win this election because there is more than enough evidence of voter fraud in favor of Biden particularly in the swing states PI, MI, WI, NV. Here's some evidence of how the democrats are trying to steal the election: https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/ https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical...
- pjc50 6y ago
  Every time this gets near a court it gets thrown due to lack of evidence.
- libraryatnight 6y ago
  That evidence is not evidence. Do you think this is facebook and I'm your computer illiterate aunt?
- NicoJuicy 6y ago
  Debunked... https://mobile.twitter.com/gelbach/status/1324760993692590081 https://mobile.twitter.com/gelbach/status/132476099369259008...
libraryatnight 6y ago
they were substantiated though. it's a fact at this point.
NicoJuicy 6y ago
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-201...
bsg75 6y ago
No, because those concerns were based on investigations. Trup is simply throwing a tantrum online because he can’t behave like an adult in the face of defeat. Also based on evidence he knows he is potentially inciting violence, because any concerns are to be addressed in the courts, not on social media.

altdatathrow 6y ago

> He's literally lying at this point and putting the democratic system of the US in jeopardy That was a true statement for the past 4 years.

deleted 6y ago
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sergioro 6y ago

There is mathematical proof that the DNC is stealing the election: https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/ https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical... . Please help me achieve a negative vote reputation today for defending democracy, I'm honored.

Kye 6y ago
Well that sure looks unbiased. This is sarcasm.
- AnHonestComment 6y ago
  Okay — but can you point to any mistakes? Your comment is just a poisoning the well ad hominem: I believe that comments on HN should be substantive replies.
- sergioro 6y ago
  That study has references to the data sources, including web-archived snapshots of official government websites. What is bias the US national media which published totally wrong polls that predicted a democratic "blue-wave" and is ignoring all of the fraud evidence.
TheCoelacanth 6y ago
Most of these claims are easily debunked. Wisconsin[1] and Michigan had turnout in the low 70s, not close to 100% as claimed. Turnout was high, but only a few points higher than recent years. There legitimately are some batches of votes where Biden got close to 100% of the votes due to segregation and mail-in votes being counted separately. The mail-in votes in a predominately black area should be expected to be close to 100% for Biden. It would be suspicious if they weren't. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/05/fact-check-wisconsin-voter-turnout-line-past-elections/6176028002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/05/fac... [2] https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/05/michigan-election-2020-live-updates-biden-peters-win-michigan/6169303002/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/...