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As a former republican who is afraid of the direction of political dialog in this country. This is the best outcome I could have hoped for. In my option the dis

As a former republican who is afraid of the direction of political dialog in this country. This is the best outcome I could have hoped for. In my option the dismal showing for dems in the congress and many state legislatures and governors and trumps loss is a repudiation for the toxic rhetoric from both groups.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
>As a former republican who is afraid of the direction of political dialog in this country. Specifically what are you afraid of? >In my option the dismal showing for dems in the congress and many state legislatures and governors and trumps loss is a repudiation for the toxic rhetoric from both groups. Can you give me some examples of the toxic rhetoric you see from congressional democrats?
- ufmace 6y ago
  Here's a congressional democrat calling for lists to be drawn up of those who worked with Trump. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078 https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078 What do you think they intend to do with those lists?
  - delecti 6y ago
    You're spinning what is essentially "screenshotting tweets" to sound a lot more nefarious than it is. It seems pretty clear to me that she's talking about accountability. It's not about hunting down poor innocent conservatives in their homes, it's making sure that people involved in the administration can't distance themselves from their actions.
  - krapp 6y ago
    Meanwhile, armed mobs of Trump supporters are actually inciting violence, harassing people and plotting kidnappings. What do you think they intend to do with those guns?
    - cptnapalm 6y ago
      Note: Antifa and Bernie Bros are not Trump supporters.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    Congresswoman Cortez explains herself well. >Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future The concern is that these enablers will not have their credibility tarnished for their support of trump. Are you okay with whitewashing? She wants to prevent Trump's (former?) supporters from whitewashing their actions so that we, Royal we, can face the problems trump exposed. What, exactly, is your fear here?
  - istorical 6y ago
    Most likely hold them to account for enabling poor policy choices by avoiding giving them any position of power in the future, discouraging anyone from voting for them, etc. But her statement was rather vague and didn't clearly state at all what the purpose of her list would be, so our own biases about her and what she represents would likely color our feelings about what she might do with such a list, no?
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
      To be clear. Congressman Cortez is asking if people are preserving the history of people that supported trump. She is not making a list.
- vanattab 6y ago
  I think the media and pundits on both sides have constructed mental pictures of the "enemy" in the minds of naive voters, which don't accurately describe the people in the opposing camps. During the Bush and Obama administrations if you did a study where you asked GOP voters to describe how they think DEM voters would describe there political views and vis-versa there was a much bigger gap between what Democrats thought Republicans believed and what Republicans themselves reported then the other way around. Although I have not seen data from the trump era I suspect that the discrepancy would be in both higher in both comparisons.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    This didn't really address my questions. What scares Republicans about democrats? Is it that I want affordable health, eye, and dental care? Is it that I want poor and minority groups to be protected from exploitation? Is it that I want religion to stay out of politics and wombs, and pay taxes? Is it that I want white collar criminals to be prosecuted? Is it that I want the failed war on drugs to end and get addicts actual rehabilitative care? Is it that I want our decrepit infrastructure to get maintained? Is it that I want people of color and women to be protected from hate? Is it that I want poor and minority people to have the same opportunities as rich kids? Is it that I want college to be affordable and lead to a better life instead of serfdom? Is it that I want to get perverse incentives out of prisons? I can go on. We can argue methods in other posts, but do these mere dreams scare Republicans? If so, why?
    - cozuya 6y ago
      Republicans directly oppose all of those things, because they are, at their core, bad people who are only interested in their personal wellbeing, not of what is best for this country.
      - adingus 6y ago
        And generalizing half the population in the worst way possible is definitely what's best for the country.
LadyCailin 6y ago
The problem is, I have yet to see any good faith efforts to govern on the part of Republicans in the past decade. Sure, Democrats make missteps all the time, and I'm more than happy to campaign with you against specific things that the Democrats have done over the years, but I can't think of a single good thing that Republicans have done in my adult lifetime. Since Newt Gingrich, it seems that Republican's primary purpose in life is to grab more power - the country be damned. I'm more that willing to vote for a Republican that isn't just a party shill, and has reasonable views on things like gay rights, abortion, the war on drugs, military spending, healthcare, etc, but I have yet to see even a single one. Romney, maybe? But not really, he's still a hyper partisan, except in like 2 things.
- Itsdijital 6y ago
  Sam Harris did a really fascinating podcast with David Frum, a long time conservative writer and assistant George Bush. Frum basically says that after the Obama election, republican strategists sat down to decide on whether to shift the platform to changing demographics in America or to double down and declare all out war. They chose the latter.
  - cptnapalm 6y ago
    Congressional and Senate Republicans did quite well under Obama. Trump's increase in the Black and Hispanic vote will be food for thought.
    - krapp 6y ago
      I was under the impression that, in general terms, the Black vote went for Biden and the Hispanic vote went for Trump.
      - cptnapalm 6y ago
        The majority of both went to Biden, but Trump made gains over what he got in 2016 which was better than Romney in 2012. So there appears to be a path to improve minority showing for Republicans, depending on the Republican.
russellbeattie 6y ago
"both groups". Such amazing mendacity. You people live in a world of your own.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago

>As a former republican who is afraid of the direction of political dialog in this country. Specifically what are you afraid of? >In my option the dismal showing for dems in the congress and many state legislatures and governors and trumps loss is a repudiation for the toxic rhetoric from both groups. Can you give me some examples of the toxic rhetoric you see from congressional democrats?

ufmace 6y ago
Here's a congressional democrat calling for lists to be drawn up of those who worked with Trump. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078 https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1324807776510595078 What do you think they intend to do with those lists?
- delecti 6y ago
  You're spinning what is essentially "screenshotting tweets" to sound a lot more nefarious than it is. It seems pretty clear to me that she's talking about accountability. It's not about hunting down poor innocent conservatives in their homes, it's making sure that people involved in the administration can't distance themselves from their actions.
- krapp 6y ago
  Meanwhile, armed mobs of Trump supporters are actually inciting violence, harassing people and plotting kidnappings. What do you think they intend to do with those guns?
  - cptnapalm 6y ago
    Note: Antifa and Bernie Bros are not Trump supporters.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  Congresswoman Cortez explains herself well. >Is anyone archiving these Trump sycophants for when they try to downplay or deny their complicity in the future? I foresee decent probability of many deleted Tweets, writings, photos in the future The concern is that these enablers will not have their credibility tarnished for their support of trump. Are you okay with whitewashing? She wants to prevent Trump's (former?) supporters from whitewashing their actions so that we, Royal we, can face the problems trump exposed. What, exactly, is your fear here?
- istorical 6y ago
  Most likely hold them to account for enabling poor policy choices by avoiding giving them any position of power in the future, discouraging anyone from voting for them, etc. But her statement was rather vague and didn't clearly state at all what the purpose of her list would be, so our own biases about her and what she represents would likely color our feelings about what she might do with such a list, no?
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    To be clear. Congressman Cortez is asking if people are preserving the history of people that supported trump. She is not making a list.
vanattab 6y ago
I think the media and pundits on both sides have constructed mental pictures of the "enemy" in the minds of naive voters, which don't accurately describe the people in the opposing camps. During the Bush and Obama administrations if you did a study where you asked GOP voters to describe how they think DEM voters would describe there political views and vis-versa there was a much bigger gap between what Democrats thought Republicans believed and what Republicans themselves reported then the other way around. Although I have not seen data from the trump era I suspect that the discrepancy would be in both higher in both comparisons.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  This didn't really address my questions. What scares Republicans about democrats? Is it that I want affordable health, eye, and dental care? Is it that I want poor and minority groups to be protected from exploitation? Is it that I want religion to stay out of politics and wombs, and pay taxes? Is it that I want white collar criminals to be prosecuted? Is it that I want the failed war on drugs to end and get addicts actual rehabilitative care? Is it that I want our decrepit infrastructure to get maintained? Is it that I want people of color and women to be protected from hate? Is it that I want poor and minority people to have the same opportunities as rich kids? Is it that I want college to be affordable and lead to a better life instead of serfdom? Is it that I want to get perverse incentives out of prisons? I can go on. We can argue methods in other posts, but do these mere dreams scare Republicans? If so, why?
  - cozuya 6y ago
    Republicans directly oppose all of those things, because they are, at their core, bad people who are only interested in their personal wellbeing, not of what is best for this country.
    - adingus 6y ago
      And generalizing half the population in the worst way possible is definitely what's best for the country.

LadyCailin 6y ago

The problem is, I have yet to see any good faith efforts to govern on the part of Republicans in the past decade. Sure, Democrats make missteps all the time, and I'm more than happy to campaign with you against specific things that the Democrats have done over the years, but I can't think of a single good thing that Republicans have done in my adult lifetime. Since Newt Gingrich, it seems that Republican's primary purpose in life is to grab more power - the country be damned. I'm more that willing to vote for a Republican that isn't just a party shill, and has reasonable views on things like gay rights, abortion, the war on drugs, military spending, healthcare, etc, but I have yet to see even a single one. Romney, maybe? But not really, he's still a hyper partisan, except in like 2 things.

Itsdijital 6y ago
Sam Harris did a really fascinating podcast with David Frum, a long time conservative writer and assistant George Bush. Frum basically says that after the Obama election, republican strategists sat down to decide on whether to shift the platform to changing demographics in America or to double down and declare all out war. They chose the latter.
- cptnapalm 6y ago
  Congressional and Senate Republicans did quite well under Obama. Trump's increase in the Black and Hispanic vote will be food for thought.
  - krapp 6y ago
    I was under the impression that, in general terms, the Black vote went for Biden and the Hispanic vote went for Trump.
    - cptnapalm 6y ago
      The majority of both went to Biden, but Trump made gains over what he got in 2016 which was better than Romney in 2012. So there appears to be a path to improve minority showing for Republicans, depending on the Republican.

russellbeattie 6y ago

"both groups". Such amazing mendacity. You people live in a world of your own.