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Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of

by neves 6y ago

Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

s9w 6y ago
I dig the HN fanfiction these days. refusing to leave? He's the president. The next one has not been decided.
- bdcravens 6y ago
  Correct, he doesn't have to leave until January 20, 2021.
  - s9w 6y ago
    That hasn't yet been decided, but that's not even the point. edit: so i've now been rate limited for posting three things. What the posters beyond assume is not what I meant. I'll not be able to answer for about two days or so. nice
    - bdcravens 6y ago
      Yes, we still have the lawsuits to go through, states must certify their results, and the electoral college must meet on December 14. In other words, the exact same process that happens in every other election (obviously the lawsuits are a slight wrinkle) There's a tiny, tiny chance the results could be changed.
    - esoterica 6y ago
      Did you also go around insisting that the election hadn't been decided yet after the media called it for Trump on election night 2016, or are you only doing it this time around because he lost?
mmastrac 6y ago
Unfortunately the red team has been working to disenfranchise as many voters as possible. The country is far bluer than the electoral map would suggest, thanks to years of voter suppression.
- rayiner 6y ago
  Are we watching the same election? We just had an election with historic turnout and easy voting and Biden will have won by less than Obama did twice. Against a historically unpopular President in the middle of a pandemic. Doesn’t that suggest the map is about as blue as we thought? Also, the “red team” has been actively helping expand voter access all over the country. The Republican Georgia Secretary of State and the Republican state legislature played a major role in expanding voter access in Georgia the last couple of years (obviously they’re the ones with the actual power to change the election laws): https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/voter-registration-surges-georgia-ahead-2020-elections/NVKOTit4KEtsTHoXtd6ddN/ https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/vote... > Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said the increase in registered voters shows the success of automatic voter registration and highlights other ways election officials have improved voting access, such as absentee voting for anyone who requests a mailed ballot and three weeks of early voting.
  - koolba 6y ago
    This election should be a wake up call to entire country and Democrats in particular. There was no blue wave, if anything Biden has barely squeaked past the post. If it were not for the pandemic I'm convinced the Trump turnout for this election would have produced results rivaling Reagan in 1984. Even with a pandemic he was able to drive more voters to the polls on election day than any point in American history.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Even the Trump campaign said their base of old, white voters were dying off [1]. In another 4 years, another 7.3 million older voters (typically conservative voters) will have aged out. The country will continue to turn blue [2]. Democrats still have a lot of work to do on messaging. This was high tide for conservative votes. [3] [1] https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old-white-men-are-dying-so-trump-looked-elsewhere-for-votes-in-florida-1334166 https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/20/a-wider-partisan-and-ideological-gap-between-younger-older-generations/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/20/a-wider-par... [3] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-mille...
throwaway_dcnt 6y ago
Your comment about the first president to not start or accelerate a war since last 6 or 7 terms, at least, is too rich in irony. Trump had many issues but bombing wedding parties to extinction was more of an Obama thing.
- softwhale 6y ago
  Is this a joke? Trump revoked Obama's rule on reporting drone strike death.
- Udik 6y ago
  He got very close though with a lot of brinkmanship. It could have ended much worse.
rayiner 6y ago
We just had an election with widespread mail in voting with extended deadlines and historic turnout. And if anything Trump’s support among non-white voters went up. What does that suggest re: the scale of voter suppression?
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  The GOP actively sought, across the country, to handicap or prevent mail and absentee voting to suppress votes that typically fall to Democrats. The president tweeted about unproven voter fraud and to stop counting votes. If that isn’t attempts at brazen voter suppression, I don’t know what is. Democracy was stress tested, and it still worked.
  - rayiner 6y ago
    Oregon and Colorado have successfully done mail in voting for years, with safeguards like ballots having to arrive by Election Day and signature verification. Democrats fought to get rid of rules like that all over the country, and succeeded in Pennsylvania.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      Requiring ballots arrive by Election Day is unreasonable when the executive branch is handicapping the postal service for partisan reasons. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/2020-presidential-election-postal-data-shows-ballot-delivery-rate.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/2020-presidential-election-p... (Postal Service data shows poor mail-in ballot delivery rate in key swing states, judge suggests Postmaster General DeJoy might have to testify)
      - googthrowaway42 6y ago
        Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. In Washington state where I used to live has had universal mail in ballots for many years and they had ballot drop boxes that were swept on election day. There was extensive information that was put out informing people of the last day they could mail their ballots in.
googthrowaway42 6y ago
> A refusing to leave president. No legal process has taken place that has declared Biden the winner.
- dastx 6y ago
  You mean besides having the necessary number of delegates? He's been literally throwing lawsuits around to stop different states from continuing the counting. That to me says OP's words were accurate.
  - googthrowaway42 6y ago
    The elections aren't certified until a few weeks from now. The exact date varies from state to state. At that point each state selects its electors. No electors have been selected yet.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  No, and it won’t until December. However it is now clear that it _will_ happen. Traditionally, once it becomes inevitable, candidates concede.
  - googthrowaway42 6y ago
    Whether or not it will happen remains to be seen. Certainly I won't deny that among the people who have faith in the media (Biden supporters) they are convinced it will happen.
    - xiphias2 6y ago
      If you give a big probability for a Trump win, you can bet on it and be a millionaire easily with the current odds.
- cmurf 6y ago
  The election is a legal process and it's declared him the presumptive winner. Same as Trump on election night in 2016. Everything else that happens are formalities, however important and necessary. Other than the 2000 election, we haven't waited this long to announce the next president following a presidential election. And it isn't even close, Biden has more differential votes by percentage than Nixon, Truman, or Reagan.
BlueTemplar 6y ago
> A refusing to leave president. Bait him out with a cheeseburger ! https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5061 https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5061
krapp 6y ago
Funny enough, the US usually supports a more European model of government when it does nation building.
- Redoubts 6y ago
  Should have been a tell when neither Germany nor Japan looked anything like our government when they were redesigned.
the_only_law 6y ago
No, they won't bomb you if you bow to their interests.
mdoms 6y ago
Just take the L.
- MrRiddle 6y ago
  How on earth you got to thinking OP is Tramp supporter?

by neves 6y ago

s9w 6y ago

I dig the HN fanfiction these days. refusing to leave? He's the president. The next one has not been decided.

bdcravens 6y ago
Correct, he doesn't have to leave until January 20, 2021.
- s9w 6y ago
  That hasn't yet been decided, but that's not even the point. edit: so i've now been rate limited for posting three things. What the posters beyond assume is not what I meant. I'll not be able to answer for about two days or so. nice
  - bdcravens 6y ago
    Yes, we still have the lawsuits to go through, states must certify their results, and the electoral college must meet on December 14. In other words, the exact same process that happens in every other election (obviously the lawsuits are a slight wrinkle) There's a tiny, tiny chance the results could be changed.
  - esoterica 6y ago
    Did you also go around insisting that the election hadn't been decided yet after the media called it for Trump on election night 2016, or are you only doing it this time around because he lost?

mmastrac 6y ago

Unfortunately the red team has been working to disenfranchise as many voters as possible. The country is far bluer than the electoral map would suggest, thanks to years of voter suppression.

rayiner 6y ago
Are we watching the same election? We just had an election with historic turnout and easy voting and Biden will have won by less than Obama did twice. Against a historically unpopular President in the middle of a pandemic. Doesn’t that suggest the map is about as blue as we thought? Also, the “red team” has been actively helping expand voter access all over the country. The Republican Georgia Secretary of State and the Republican state legislature played a major role in expanding voter access in Georgia the last couple of years (obviously they’re the ones with the actual power to change the election laws): https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/voter-registration-surges-georgia-ahead-2020-elections/NVKOTit4KEtsTHoXtd6ddN/ https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/vote... > Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said the increase in registered voters shows the success of automatic voter registration and highlights other ways election officials have improved voting access, such as absentee voting for anyone who requests a mailed ballot and three weeks of early voting.
- koolba 6y ago
  This election should be a wake up call to entire country and Democrats in particular. There was no blue wave, if anything Biden has barely squeaked past the post. If it were not for the pandemic I'm convinced the Trump turnout for this election would have produced results rivaling Reagan in 1984. Even with a pandemic he was able to drive more voters to the polls on election day than any point in American history.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Even the Trump campaign said their base of old, white voters were dying off [1]. In another 4 years, another 7.3 million older voters (typically conservative voters) will have aged out. The country will continue to turn blue [2]. Democrats still have a lot of work to do on messaging. This was high tide for conservative votes. [3] [1] https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old-white-men-are-dying-so-trump-looked-elsewhere-for-votes-in-florida-1334166 https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/20/a-wider-partisan-and-ideological-gap-between-younger-older-generations/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/03/20/a-wider-par... [3] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-mille...

throwaway_dcnt 6y ago

Your comment about the first president to not start or accelerate a war since last 6 or 7 terms, at least, is too rich in irony. Trump had many issues but bombing wedding parties to extinction was more of an Obama thing.

softwhale 6y ago
Is this a joke? Trump revoked Obama's rule on reporting drone strike death.
Udik 6y ago
He got very close though with a lot of brinkmanship. It could have ended much worse.

rayiner 6y ago

We just had an election with widespread mail in voting with extended deadlines and historic turnout. And if anything Trump’s support among non-white voters went up. What does that suggest re: the scale of voter suppression?

toomuchtodo 6y ago
The GOP actively sought, across the country, to handicap or prevent mail and absentee voting to suppress votes that typically fall to Democrats. The president tweeted about unproven voter fraud and to stop counting votes. If that isn’t attempts at brazen voter suppression, I don’t know what is. Democracy was stress tested, and it still worked.
- rayiner 6y ago
  Oregon and Colorado have successfully done mail in voting for years, with safeguards like ballots having to arrive by Election Day and signature verification. Democrats fought to get rid of rules like that all over the country, and succeeded in Pennsylvania.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Requiring ballots arrive by Election Day is unreasonable when the executive branch is handicapping the postal service for partisan reasons. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/2020-presidential-election-postal-data-shows-ballot-delivery-rate.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/04/2020-presidential-election-p... (Postal Service data shows poor mail-in ballot delivery rate in key swing states, judge suggests Postmaster General DeJoy might have to testify)
    - googthrowaway42 6y ago
      Requiring ballots to arrive by Election Day is the only reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you leave open the possibility of fraud as has been alleged in PA with multiple USPS workers coming forward and testifying that they witnessed backdating of mail in ballots. In Washington state where I used to live has had universal mail in ballots for many years and they had ballot drop boxes that were swept on election day. There was extensive information that was put out informing people of the last day they could mail their ballots in.

googthrowaway42 6y ago

> A refusing to leave president. No legal process has taken place that has declared Biden the winner.

dastx 6y ago
You mean besides having the necessary number of delegates? He's been literally throwing lawsuits around to stop different states from continuing the counting. That to me says OP's words were accurate.
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  The elections aren't certified until a few weeks from now. The exact date varies from state to state. At that point each state selects its electors. No electors have been selected yet.
rsynnott 6y ago
No, and it won’t until December. However it is now clear that it _will_ happen. Traditionally, once it becomes inevitable, candidates concede.
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  Whether or not it will happen remains to be seen. Certainly I won't deny that among the people who have faith in the media (Biden supporters) they are convinced it will happen.
  - xiphias2 6y ago
    If you give a big probability for a Trump win, you can bet on it and be a millionaire easily with the current odds.
cmurf 6y ago
The election is a legal process and it's declared him the presumptive winner. Same as Trump on election night in 2016. Everything else that happens are formalities, however important and necessary. Other than the 2000 election, we haven't waited this long to announce the next president following a presidential election. And it isn't even close, Biden has more differential votes by percentage than Nixon, Truman, or Reagan.

BlueTemplar 6y ago

> A refusing to leave president. Bait him out with a cheeseburger ! https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5061 https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5061

krapp 6y ago

Funny enough, the US usually supports a more European model of government when it does nation building.

Redoubts 6y ago
Should have been a tell when neither Germany nor Japan looked anything like our government when they were redesigned.

the_only_law 6y ago

No, they won't bomb you if you bow to their interests.

mdoms 6y ago

Just take the L.

MrRiddle 6y ago
How on earth you got to thinking OP is Tramp supporter?