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Not an American citizen, but I’m really glad that Biden won. USA sets an example for other Western countries, and Trump wasn’t a good example. I hope you’re abl

by seek3r 6y ago

Not an American citizen, but I’m really glad that Biden won. USA sets an example for other Western countries, and Trump wasn’t a good example. I hope you’re able to recover from Trumpism and that the Republican Party rejects such violent and authoritarian points of view. Edit: I’m not saying US citizens should think of other nations when casting their vote. Just glad — as non-US citizen - that Biden won and that our national far-right politicians can finally shut up about Trump

refurb 6y ago
I agree. When I vote I make sure I pick the candidate that other countries would be happy with.
- seek3r 6y ago
  Touché
- foolmeonce 6y ago
  Very wise, it sucks to end up trapped on an island first politically, then economically and finally socially. The US understands that stick very well when the topic is its opponents.
- pvaldes 6y ago
  > When I vote I make sure I pick the candidate that other countries would be happy with. Is not something that the common voter could control. You will do in the 50% of the cases in fact, just by chance. And is great, because deliberately burning all bridges with all your allies and to pee in the curtains just to make a vanity statement, is not a productive way to work in a multinational team to obtain your goals.
marban 6y ago
Why is this getting downvoted? https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-u-s-elections-germany-looks-across-the-atlantic-with-anxiety-and-hope-a-7d866483-ceeb-4de3-9e3c-617aaa916ec8 https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-u-s-electio...
- Aachen 6y ago
  Care to tell us what you're linking? It's behind some wall (and breaks the back button as well).
krapp 6y ago
Unfortunately, Trump's brand of conspiracy theory populism resonates with a significant number of American voters more so than any other political ideology. Trump was so popular that his base increased over the last four years. So popular with that base that an actual messianic cult formed around him. Trump himself just wasn't charismatic, competent or forward thinking enough to capitalize on it at scale the way populist dictators in other countries have. But that still leaves the danger of a competent successor to Trump in the future. What we need to watch for is whether or not the Republican Party interprets this as a repudiation of Trumpism, or merely of Trump himself.
- barumi 6y ago
  > Unfortunately, Trump's brand of conspiracy theory populism resonates with a significant number of American voters more so than any other political ideology. The problem runs deeper than that. Unfortunately Trump's blend of populist rhetoric fueled by conspiracy theories, divisiveness, and victimization coupled with a vindictive/authoritarian agenda has seeped out of the US borders and reverberated in european countries that are now struggling (again) with he rise of fascist parties. Take for example Spain's Vox party, which is quite literally a fascist apologist which copies Trump and recently even went as far as claiming that Spain's current government is the worst in 80 years, subtly bundling Franco's fascist regime in comparison and thus stating that it was a better alternative than the current democratic regime. The free world has a problem with fascism in specific and authoritarian regimes in general, and Trump contributed to whitewash these political movements to the point that they might regain mainstream status throughout the world.
  - seek3r 6y ago
    Exactly. USA may not get it because they never really had fascism, but some of us in Europe do. It’s not pretty. It’s not good for our national far-right parties to look at one of the most powerful nation in the world and think: “they did it, we can too”. Like I said in another comment, it’s not about US citizens thinking about other countries before casting a vote. But it’s understandable that some of us non-US citizens are glad to see Trump go.
madengr 6y ago
Republican Party violent? LMAO, it’s the leftists burning stuff down. Trump was doing a good job, as he is despised by both the left and establishment Republicans. Too bad he lost (or subject to fraud).
Nacdor 6y ago
> violent and authoritarian points of view I don't follow politics too closely, but I keep hearing Trump is the first president who started no new wars. He also supposedly brokered numerous peace deals and had 4 Nobel Peace Prize nominations. Is there a lot of violence I'm missing that warrants calling him "violent and authoritarian"?
- sfkdjf9j3j 6y ago
  Hey, I would encourage you to follow politics more closely! If you want a broad overview, I would start with the wikipedia page for Donald Trump. I'd also spend some time reading about media literacy and bias - your comment about Nobel Peace Prize nominations stands out as a bit of red flag that you may be uncritically repeating something you heard from a far-right editorial source. Good luck, there's a lot of information to synthesize, but this stuff is really important!
  - blisterpeanuts 6y ago
    Why not answer the parent's specific points instead of just lecturing them to read more?
    - darthrupert 6y ago
      Give a man a fish versus teach a man to fish.
  - googthrowaway42 6y ago
    What a nasty and patronizing comment.
    - orf 6y ago
      But also one that contains an important message that parent should read.
- amf12 6y ago
  > and had 4 Nobel Peace Prize nominations. FWIW, Nobel Peace Prize nominations are worthless. National level politicians, professors can nominate anyone.[1] You could find someone (or three people) to nominate you. [1] https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/ https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/
Ericson2314 6y ago
> USA sets an example for other Western countries This is what we really need to fix.

by seek3r 6y ago

refurb 6y ago

I agree. When I vote I make sure I pick the candidate that other countries would be happy with.

seek3r 6y ago
Touché
foolmeonce 6y ago
Very wise, it sucks to end up trapped on an island first politically, then economically and finally socially. The US understands that stick very well when the topic is its opponents.
pvaldes 6y ago
> When I vote I make sure I pick the candidate that other countries would be happy with. Is not something that the common voter could control. You will do in the 50% of the cases in fact, just by chance. And is great, because deliberately burning all bridges with all your allies and to pee in the curtains just to make a vanity statement, is not a productive way to work in a multinational team to obtain your goals.

marban 6y ago

Why is this getting downvoted? https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-u-s-elections-germany-looks-across-the-atlantic-with-anxiety-and-hope-a-7d866483-ceeb-4de3-9e3c-617aaa916ec8 https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-u-s-electio...

Aachen 6y ago
Care to tell us what you're linking? It's behind some wall (and breaks the back button as well).

krapp 6y ago

Unfortunately, Trump's brand of conspiracy theory populism resonates with a significant number of American voters more so than any other political ideology. Trump was so popular that his base increased over the last four years. So popular with that base that an actual messianic cult formed around him. Trump himself just wasn't charismatic, competent or forward thinking enough to capitalize on it at scale the way populist dictators in other countries have. But that still leaves the danger of a competent successor to Trump in the future. What we need to watch for is whether or not the Republican Party interprets this as a repudiation of Trumpism, or merely of Trump himself.

barumi 6y ago
> Unfortunately, Trump's brand of conspiracy theory populism resonates with a significant number of American voters more so than any other political ideology. The problem runs deeper than that. Unfortunately Trump's blend of populist rhetoric fueled by conspiracy theories, divisiveness, and victimization coupled with a vindictive/authoritarian agenda has seeped out of the US borders and reverberated in european countries that are now struggling (again) with he rise of fascist parties. Take for example Spain's Vox party, which is quite literally a fascist apologist which copies Trump and recently even went as far as claiming that Spain's current government is the worst in 80 years, subtly bundling Franco's fascist regime in comparison and thus stating that it was a better alternative than the current democratic regime. The free world has a problem with fascism in specific and authoritarian regimes in general, and Trump contributed to whitewash these political movements to the point that they might regain mainstream status throughout the world.
- seek3r 6y ago
  Exactly. USA may not get it because they never really had fascism, but some of us in Europe do. It’s not pretty. It’s not good for our national far-right parties to look at one of the most powerful nation in the world and think: “they did it, we can too”. Like I said in another comment, it’s not about US citizens thinking about other countries before casting a vote. But it’s understandable that some of us non-US citizens are glad to see Trump go.

madengr 6y ago

Republican Party violent? LMAO, it’s the leftists burning stuff down. Trump was doing a good job, as he is despised by both the left and establishment Republicans. Too bad he lost (or subject to fraud).

Nacdor 6y ago

> violent and authoritarian points of view I don't follow politics too closely, but I keep hearing Trump is the first president who started no new wars. He also supposedly brokered numerous peace deals and had 4 Nobel Peace Prize nominations. Is there a lot of violence I'm missing that warrants calling him "violent and authoritarian"?

sfkdjf9j3j 6y ago
Hey, I would encourage you to follow politics more closely! If you want a broad overview, I would start with the wikipedia page for Donald Trump. I'd also spend some time reading about media literacy and bias - your comment about Nobel Peace Prize nominations stands out as a bit of red flag that you may be uncritically repeating something you heard from a far-right editorial source. Good luck, there's a lot of information to synthesize, but this stuff is really important!
- blisterpeanuts 6y ago
  Why not answer the parent's specific points instead of just lecturing them to read more?
  - darthrupert 6y ago
    Give a man a fish versus teach a man to fish.
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  What a nasty and patronizing comment.
  - orf 6y ago
    But also one that contains an important message that parent should read.
amf12 6y ago
> and had 4 Nobel Peace Prize nominations. FWIW, Nobel Peace Prize nominations are worthless. National level politicians, professors can nominate anyone.[1] You could find someone (or three people) to nominate you. [1] https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/ https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

Ericson2314 6y ago

> USA sets an example for other Western countries This is what we really need to fix.