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I meant further down on the page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcq7qqPhow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcq7qqPhow Sorry got confused ... the BLM thing

I meant further down on the page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcq7qqPhow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcq7qqPhow Sorry got confused ... the BLM thing was Bret not Eric. As I said, I don't agree with the tone of uberfeminist. Yet, the blog posts have some valuable points (even though they attack the Weinsteins also personally). Ok, if you claim sth, I just want to assess how much is true about it. In this case it's quite some claim. I just wonder, where is the evidence? If Eric Weinstein can provide it, great. I will believe him . If he cannot, I wonder why he would mention these topics in a public podcast. Even if they are true, if you cannot at least provide some kind of evidence for them, they sound to me like conspiracy theories. This is also not a singular incident in terms of just claiming sth. and not being able to back it up (COVID, 9/11 ... unity theory etc.). I mean he claims his family was kept from 3 nobel prices ... might well be, yet so far I find that far fetched. Just saying. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof ... no? I'm skeptical and like to hear/see things for myself. The "I don't speak German" podcast really makes some impressions I had more concrete (also the episode with Becca Lewis). It seems for me the Weinstein brothers are just utterly confused.

graphov 6y ago
Wait, I've listened to that piece and it doesn't mention broken glass there. Did I miss it? Do you have a timestamp? And I agree on all points that he makes. The only thing related to BLM protests is that he mentions some folks asking to kiss their shoes or asking others to knee, but even in those cases he is careful enough to clarify, that he doesn't thinke they are actually BLM protesters. And they are jerks for sure no matter what their skin color is. Regarding evidence I have a couple of thoughts - I don't think the situation was such that required publishing the evidence. If Carol or someone else would question the claims, showing the evidence would be necessary. (I don't count uberfemenist allegations since they are utterly disrespectful). Moreover, even if Bret doesn't have the evidence (like for the conversation with Carol over the phone), it doesn't mean that he should never tell about the story. Obviously we don't have to believe it either. Moreover, my impression is that Bret himself isn't very willng to dig into this story, it is mostly Eric pushing him. I don't quite get what other claims he isn't able to back up. What did he claim about covid or 9/11 that he wasnt' able to back up? I only saw him questioning the explanation give about one of the buildings collapse. By unity theory - do you mean his physics theory? Whell, I haven't paid attention to that, but I'm not sure how are you supposed to back it up? If it contradicts the observation/experiment, or is self-contradictory, it is bust, but what does it mean to "back it up"? Where did he made the claim about 3 Nobel prizes? He said that Bret might have had one in the video that is linked multiple times from the uberfeminist blog, but I haven't actually heard about the other two. p.s. it is quite tedious to type that much, if you want we can chat by voice/video, just drop me an email by appending gmail to my nickname.
- kgarten 6y ago
  Sorry ... just got up. different time zone. Wrong link again (I’m on the smart phone as away from the laptop) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PfAumoTIeik https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PfAumoTIeik Around the 9:45 mark.
  - graphov 6y ago
    Well, he was speaking about how a Jewish person feels seeing a lot of glass broken by a mob, I won't agrue with that although I personally wouldn't use this comparison. Is it about BLM protests though? I personally make distinction between people who protest lawfully against police brutality and racism - and I think it is totally warranted and honorable, and people who set things on fire putting lives at risk, who attack police simply for being police, who harass strangers to rise their fist in "solidarity", who put graffiti suggesting killing cops and journalists, who march through resident neighbourhoods in the night shouting and shining flashlights in people windows, etc. For example these people: https://twitter.com/PghAutonomy/status/1307166700916412419 https://twitter.com/PghAutonomy/status/1307166700916412419 https://twitter.com/historyoarmani2/status/1324564145753235458 https://twitter.com/historyoarmani2/status/13245641457532354... https://twitter.com/PNWYLF/status/1323893149081677825 https://twitter.com/PNWYLF/status/1323893149081677825 For me this interview with a black police officer was quite revealing of the other side to the protest even before the real mayhem starts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha-7SETmJD4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha-7SETmJD4 And on Kristallnacht, early in its history NSDAP didn't have their ideology formulated particularly clearly and were attracting all kinds of radicals and revolutionaries, hence "sozialistische" and "arbeiter" in its name.
    - kgarten 6y ago
      The video is about BLM ... Lawful protest? When did lawful protests change anything? MLK or Gandhi? Their protests were not lawful and were also very violent (the violence coming mostly from one side). There were also riots and pundits on the streets with them ... https://twitter.com/Trevornoah/status/1269291643842289666 https://twitter.com/Trevornoah/status/1269291643842289666 Again, with the comparison to the Kristallnacht Eric makes a dangerous comparison as I explained it bellow in the thread already and he should know because he's Jewish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht He insinuates (for me at least) 1. BLM (or those riots in case you want to not associate them with BLM ... which I think he does over the title) is just some kind of pretext for totalitarianism 2. authorities are standing back and let them riot. (because that's what Kristallnacht was... it was organised with the OK from the authorities) I don't think it's his intention, yet can you see how this is dangerous? He gives militias a reason to go out and "defend" themselves against the authorities who are in on it (like during the Kristallnacht as this was state sanctioned) like the group that wanted to kidnap Gov. Whitmer or the shooter who killed people in Kenosha. Again, I'm not saying that this is his intention or that he thought about it, yet I could see crazy people saying "I heard, the riots are just like Kristallnacht." and using it as a defence for more organised violence. Yes there are crazy Antifa twitter accounts, so what? I didn't see them try to kidnap a governor ... If you tell me, as a German, that Kristallnacht is happening in your country, I would be ready to help you and up for a fight (definitely not non violent!!). I know Eric is not making that claim, yet I feel for somebody appearing smart and trying to be a public intellectual, it's a dangerous comparison. I can see how it can be misused. What do you mean with the NSDAP ideology was not formulated particularly clearly? The heads of the movement had a clear vision (I mean one of them wrote a book about it released 10 years before the Kristallnacht ...antisemitism was at the core ... the Kristallnacht was horrifically well organised by the way). The "sozialistische" and "Arbeiter" had to be there as otherwise it would have been not possible to get a mass movement. Yet, the underlying ideology from the leaders was clear from the beginning (check the bios of the SA and NSDAP leaders you won't find any communists or socialists there).

graphov 6y ago

Wait, I've listened to that piece and it doesn't mention broken glass there. Did I miss it? Do you have a timestamp? And I agree on all points that he makes. The only thing related to BLM protests is that he mentions some folks asking to kiss their shoes or asking others to knee, but even in those cases he is careful enough to clarify, that he doesn't thinke they are actually BLM protesters. And they are jerks for sure no matter what their skin color is. Regarding evidence I have a couple of thoughts - I don't think the situation was such that required publishing the evidence. If Carol or someone else would question the claims, showing the evidence would be necessary. (I don't count uberfemenist allegations since they are utterly disrespectful). Moreover, even if Bret doesn't have the evidence (like for the conversation with Carol over the phone), it doesn't mean that he should never tell about the story. Obviously we don't have to believe it either. Moreover, my impression is that Bret himself isn't very willng to dig into this story, it is mostly Eric pushing him. I don't quite get what other claims he isn't able to back up. What did he claim about covid or 9/11 that he wasnt' able to back up? I only saw him questioning the explanation give about one of the buildings collapse. By unity theory - do you mean his physics theory? Whell, I haven't paid attention to that, but I'm not sure how are you supposed to back it up? If it contradicts the observation/experiment, or is self-contradictory, it is bust, but what does it mean to "back it up"? Where did he made the claim about 3 Nobel prizes? He said that Bret might have had one in the video that is linked multiple times from the uberfeminist blog, but I haven't actually heard about the other two. p.s. it is quite tedious to type that much, if you want we can chat by voice/video, just drop me an email by appending gmail to my nickname.

kgarten 6y ago
Sorry ... just got up. different time zone. Wrong link again (I’m on the smart phone as away from the laptop) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PfAumoTIeik https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PfAumoTIeik Around the 9:45 mark.
- graphov 6y ago
  Well, he was speaking about how a Jewish person feels seeing a lot of glass broken by a mob, I won't agrue with that although I personally wouldn't use this comparison. Is it about BLM protests though? I personally make distinction between people who protest lawfully against police brutality and racism - and I think it is totally warranted and honorable, and people who set things on fire putting lives at risk, who attack police simply for being police, who harass strangers to rise their fist in "solidarity", who put graffiti suggesting killing cops and journalists, who march through resident neighbourhoods in the night shouting and shining flashlights in people windows, etc. For example these people: https://twitter.com/PghAutonomy/status/1307166700916412419 https://twitter.com/PghAutonomy/status/1307166700916412419 https://twitter.com/historyoarmani2/status/1324564145753235458 https://twitter.com/historyoarmani2/status/13245641457532354... https://twitter.com/PNWYLF/status/1323893149081677825 https://twitter.com/PNWYLF/status/1323893149081677825 For me this interview with a black police officer was quite revealing of the other side to the protest even before the real mayhem starts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha-7SETmJD4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha-7SETmJD4 And on Kristallnacht, early in its history NSDAP didn't have their ideology formulated particularly clearly and were attracting all kinds of radicals and revolutionaries, hence "sozialistische" and "arbeiter" in its name.
  - kgarten 6y ago
    The video is about BLM ... Lawful protest? When did lawful protests change anything? MLK or Gandhi? Their protests were not lawful and were also very violent (the violence coming mostly from one side). There were also riots and pundits on the streets with them ... https://twitter.com/Trevornoah/status/1269291643842289666 https://twitter.com/Trevornoah/status/1269291643842289666 Again, with the comparison to the Kristallnacht Eric makes a dangerous comparison as I explained it bellow in the thread already and he should know because he's Jewish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht He insinuates (for me at least) 1. BLM (or those riots in case you want to not associate them with BLM ... which I think he does over the title) is just some kind of pretext for totalitarianism 2. authorities are standing back and let them riot. (because that's what Kristallnacht was... it was organised with the OK from the authorities) I don't think it's his intention, yet can you see how this is dangerous? He gives militias a reason to go out and "defend" themselves against the authorities who are in on it (like during the Kristallnacht as this was state sanctioned) like the group that wanted to kidnap Gov. Whitmer or the shooter who killed people in Kenosha. Again, I'm not saying that this is his intention or that he thought about it, yet I could see crazy people saying "I heard, the riots are just like Kristallnacht." and using it as a defence for more organised violence. Yes there are crazy Antifa twitter accounts, so what? I didn't see them try to kidnap a governor ... If you tell me, as a German, that Kristallnacht is happening in your country, I would be ready to help you and up for a fight (definitely not non violent!!). I know Eric is not making that claim, yet I feel for somebody appearing smart and trying to be a public intellectual, it's a dangerous comparison. I can see how it can be misused. What do you mean with the NSDAP ideology was not formulated particularly clearly? The heads of the movement had a clear vision (I mean one of them wrote a book about it released 10 years before the Kristallnacht ...antisemitism was at the core ... the Kristallnacht was horrifically well organised by the way). The "sozialistische" and "Arbeiter" had to be there as otherwise it would have been not possible to get a mass movement. Yet, the underlying ideology from the leaders was clear from the beginning (check the bios of the SA and NSDAP leaders you won't find any communists or socialists there).