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As far as I can see predominantly American Nazis. So the title may be pointing exactly that out.

by yokaze 6y ago

jariel 6y ago
Peter Thiel and the Weinstein Brothers are not Nazis. Ironically, the very nature of the terminology validates concerns over 'cancel culture' which the podcaster & co. seem to lament. If 'one side' is worried about voices being suppressed, the 'other side' is labelling people 'Nazis' well you can see the problem. I wonder what their reaction would be if Theil had an anti-Communist podcast called 'I don't speak Chinese' which lamented all their interlocutors and those with whom they don't agree as 'Communists'.
- p1necone 6y ago
  If you read the description for the episode, they are not claiming that he's a Nazi. Podcasts don't have to stick exactly to the literal meaning of their titles 100% of the time. (Also surely you recognize the irony in this kind of nitpicking of someone elses speech while simultaneously bringing up free speech.)
  - jariel 6y ago
    I read the title, listened for a bit to it, and some of their other podcasts. The very nature of the podcast is to discuss 'Fascism' and I find including Thiel/Weinstein on the 'target list of Nazi-like people' though 'technically not Nazis' is intellectually offensive, and really defeating the purpose. I don't care about Thiel, Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan etc. or any of these people really but it's troubling when people try to suppress them or try to marginalize them as 'extremists'. There's absolutely nothing these guys are onto that should be remotely problematic in terms of civil discussion.
    - kgarten 6y ago
      Have you listend to the second episode? I know it’s a long one and with quite some rambling https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/62-eric-weinstein-part-2-cancel-culture https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/62-eric-weinstein-part-2... At the end the elude to why they did the podcast episodes... check the last YouTube link of Eric .. that video is dangerous and stupid.
      - jariel 6y ago
        Is is the 'last link' [1] that you are referring to? If it is, and you think this is 'dangerous' in any way I'm going to have to more than disagree, and suggest that any material issue over this video is probably a hint of something much more concerning. I really hope that wasn't the video you were referring to because I can't fathom any remotely reasonable person saying such a thing about it. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcq7qqPhow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcq7qqPhow 'Some Thoughts on Wokeness and Shame in light of events.'
        kgarten 6y ago
        He compares the breaking of glass by protestors to the Kristallnacht. You don’t think that’s stupid or dangerous?
      - neilsense 6y ago
        There is no such thing as a 'dangerous' YouTube link. People have the option to make their own minds up and listen to opposing viewpoints. I realise that a large chunk of HN are champagne socialists, but it would be great if they valued freedom of speech instead of starting to curb it.
        kgarten 6y ago
        You don’t think comparing the breaking of some glass by BLM protesters to the Kristallnacht is stupid? Dangerous I added because he has a following and I think if somebody believes him that Kristallnacht is happening right now, they might do sth. stupid. I’m all for free speech, yet if you say stupid stuff, you can get called out for. I can call something stupid and dangerous and I don’t want to censor anything of it. Listen to the 2 podcasts about Eric. I find them quite well sourced. If there’s anything wrong about their assertions (meaning the “I don’t talk German” podcasters) I think they are happy to hear from you. Me too, btw. I’m open to discussion and would not want to hinder free speech. Comparing BLM to the Nazis is pretty stupid, imho. Yet maybe I’m wrong ;)
- kgarten 6y ago
  Listen to the episode :) they don’t label Peter Thiel or the Weinsteins Nazis.

As far as I can see predominantly American Nazis. So the title may be pointing exactly that out.

by yokaze 6y ago

As far as I can see predominantly American Nazis. So the title may be pointing exactly that out.

Peter Thiel and the Weinstein Brothers are not Nazis. Ironically, the very nature of the terminology validates concerns over 'cancel culture' which the podcaster & co. seem to lament. If 'one side' is worried about voices being suppressed, the 'other side' is labelling people 'Nazis' well you can see the problem. I wonder what their reaction would be if Theil had an anti-Communist podcast called 'I don't speak Chinese' which lamented all their interlocutors and those with whom they don't agree as 'Communists'.

p1necone 6y ago
If you read the description for the episode, they are not claiming that he's a Nazi. Podcasts don't have to stick exactly to the literal meaning of their titles 100% of the time. (Also surely you recognize the irony in this kind of nitpicking of someone elses speech while simultaneously bringing up free speech.)
- jariel 6y ago
  I read the title, listened for a bit to it, and some of their other podcasts. The very nature of the podcast is to discuss 'Fascism' and I find including Thiel/Weinstein on the 'target list of Nazi-like people' though 'technically not Nazis' is intellectually offensive, and really defeating the purpose. I don't care about Thiel, Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan etc. or any of these people really but it's troubling when people try to suppress them or try to marginalize them as 'extremists'. There's absolutely nothing these guys are onto that should be remotely problematic in terms of civil discussion.
  - kgarten 6y ago
    Have you listend to the second episode? I know it’s a long one and with quite some rambling https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/62-eric-weinstein-part-2-cancel-culture https://idontspeakgerman.libsyn.com/62-eric-weinstein-part-2... At the end the elude to why they did the podcast episodes... check the last YouTube link of Eric .. that video is dangerous and stupid.
    - jariel 6y ago
      Is is the 'last link' [1] that you are referring to? If it is, and you think this is 'dangerous' in any way I'm going to have to more than disagree, and suggest that any material issue over this video is probably a hint of something much more concerning. I really hope that wasn't the video you were referring to because I can't fathom any remotely reasonable person saying such a thing about it. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcq7qqPhow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETcq7qqPhow 'Some Thoughts on Wokeness and Shame in light of events.'
      - kgarten 6y ago
        He compares the breaking of glass by protestors to the Kristallnacht. You don’t think that’s stupid or dangerous?
    - neilsense 6y ago
      There is no such thing as a 'dangerous' YouTube link. People have the option to make their own minds up and listen to opposing viewpoints. I realise that a large chunk of HN are champagne socialists, but it would be great if they valued freedom of speech instead of starting to curb it.
      - kgarten 6y ago
        You don’t think comparing the breaking of some glass by BLM protesters to the Kristallnacht is stupid? Dangerous I added because he has a following and I think if somebody believes him that Kristallnacht is happening right now, they might do sth. stupid. I’m all for free speech, yet if you say stupid stuff, you can get called out for. I can call something stupid and dangerous and I don’t want to censor anything of it. Listen to the 2 podcasts about Eric. I find them quite well sourced. If there’s anything wrong about their assertions (meaning the “I don’t talk German” podcasters) I think they are happy to hear from you. Me too, btw. I’m open to discussion and would not want to hinder free speech. Comparing BLM to the Nazis is pretty stupid, imho. Yet maybe I’m wrong ;)
kgarten 6y ago
Listen to the episode :) they don’t label Peter Thiel or the Weinsteins Nazis.