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Pay at Intel is about half of FAANG, can confirm. They seem weirdly proud of this and then weirdly confused and disappointed when great people leave.

hinkley 6y ago
So did Apple just sashay in and poach half of the best people?
- seanmclo 6y ago
  Yes. In PDX, Azure recently had a big hiring frenzy and there was a lot of attrition as well.
BostonEnginerd 6y ago
This is a routine issue in the semiconductor industry. Payscales haven't keep up with software across that whole industry. The trade organizations are aware of this, but I haven't seen a lot of push to level the playing field. It's unfortunate, as there are lots of really fascinating problems to solve on the materials and integration side. The industry trade organization did make a snazzy movie to try to attract young graduates into the industry. https://yourewelcome.org/en/ https://yourewelcome.org/en/
- sebmellen 6y ago
  The pandemic advertising was prescient.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Pay disparity is something that you’ve gotta fix early on. If you wait until the results of losing top level talent are finally being felt by everyone, then chances are your business might not have enough cash left to rectify the problem.
  - kayoone 6y ago
    This is generally true however Intel still has and makes tons of cash, especially compared to AMD. It will take them some time to recover from this though, in this industry it can easily mean 5+ years.
- intricatedetail 6y ago
  When I was younger I was looking into getting into this industry but was put off by low salaries. Broadly in electronics space I noticed pay is very low which I find puzzling.
cma 6y ago
Only thing I can add to this is I had an Uber driver in SF area who was a computer engineer for Intel and wasn't doing Uber as a fun aside to meet people...
ekianjo 6y ago
Is that different at AMD?
- SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
  AMD is in SV, so naturally salaries must be higher than in Oregon.
Spooky23 6y ago
I worked for a tenant in an complex that was mostly populated by semiconductor manufacturing and research people. You could use the parking lots as a proxy for employee prosperity. The chip guys drove better cars than the students, but the government and other corporate people had better cars on average. The chip bigshots made bank though. The chip people would also have crunch periods where they worked crazy hours. The workers making bank were the tradesmen building the facilities that housed tools.

hinkley 6y ago

So did Apple just sashay in and poach half of the best people?

seanmclo 6y ago
Yes. In PDX, Azure recently had a big hiring frenzy and there was a lot of attrition as well.

BostonEnginerd 6y ago

This is a routine issue in the semiconductor industry. Payscales haven't keep up with software across that whole industry. The trade organizations are aware of this, but I haven't seen a lot of push to level the playing field. It's unfortunate, as there are lots of really fascinating problems to solve on the materials and integration side. The industry trade organization did make a snazzy movie to try to attract young graduates into the industry. https://yourewelcome.org/en/ https://yourewelcome.org/en/

sebmellen 6y ago
The pandemic advertising was prescient.
ashtonkem 6y ago
Pay disparity is something that you’ve gotta fix early on. If you wait until the results of losing top level talent are finally being felt by everyone, then chances are your business might not have enough cash left to rectify the problem.
- kayoone 6y ago
  This is generally true however Intel still has and makes tons of cash, especially compared to AMD. It will take them some time to recover from this though, in this industry it can easily mean 5+ years.
intricatedetail 6y ago
When I was younger I was looking into getting into this industry but was put off by low salaries. Broadly in electronics space I noticed pay is very low which I find puzzling.

cma 6y ago

Only thing I can add to this is I had an Uber driver in SF area who was a computer engineer for Intel and wasn't doing Uber as a fun aside to meet people...

ekianjo 6y ago

Is that different at AMD?

SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
AMD is in SV, so naturally salaries must be higher than in Oregon.

Spooky23 6y ago

I worked for a tenant in an complex that was mostly populated by semiconductor manufacturing and research people. You could use the parking lots as a proxy for employee prosperity. The chip guys drove better cars than the students, but the government and other corporate people had better cars on average. The chip bigshots made bank though. The chip people would also have crunch periods where they worked crazy hours. The workers making bank were the tradesmen building the facilities that housed tools.