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I work at a tech company on the east coast, and the managers I've talked to don't like managing west coast dev teams for all the reasons you mentioned. They sai

by dx87 6y ago

I work at a tech company on the east coast, and the managers I've talked to don't like managing west coast dev teams for all the reasons you mentioned. They said they'll refuse to show up to meetings, won't answer phone calls/emails/slack, don't document anything, etc., because they think they're code artisans and won't do anything that they think is below them.

question000 6y ago
Yeah, there's really a lot going on cultural in this phenomenon of the egotistical coder. I'd break it down into these following factors: 1) youth, young people don't really care about burning bridges their life has pretty much always been on an upswing and they feel "set for life." There peers are bartenders, but they are making more money then their parents year one. 2) male dominated, I don't want to engage in stereotypes here but it just seems this is a factor. 3) education system, typically it has pushed people towards research and novelty. When I told my professor I wanted to get into web development he said "pfft that's just plumbing" definitely plays into factor two, the typical egotistical dev feels emasculated writing and email template. Not a good vibe for a manager.
outworlder 6y ago
The other points are valid but... > They said they'll refuse to show up to meetings There's usually FAR TOO MANY MEETINGS. This is even more prevalent the more bad managers and engineers exist. Talking and assigning 'action items' is a good way to deflect attention from the fact that you have no clue what the heck you are doing. And bad engineers get shielded by the collective (as long as they can show some work done on their "action item", or indicate that they are blocked because of someone else). If you actually have good engineers, they will see the meetings for what they are and start pushing back.
TP4Cornholio 6y ago
The west coast sounds like a paradise for developers. Makes me wish I had moved...
- appletrotter 6y ago
  Why didn't you?
  - TP4Cornholio 6y ago
    Family is east

by dx87 6y ago

question000 6y ago

Yeah, there's really a lot going on cultural in this phenomenon of the egotistical coder. I'd break it down into these following factors: 1) youth, young people don't really care about burning bridges their life has pretty much always been on an upswing and they feel "set for life." There peers are bartenders, but they are making more money then their parents year one. 2) male dominated, I don't want to engage in stereotypes here but it just seems this is a factor. 3) education system, typically it has pushed people towards research and novelty. When I told my professor I wanted to get into web development he said "pfft that's just plumbing" definitely plays into factor two, the typical egotistical dev feels emasculated writing and email template. Not a good vibe for a manager.

outworlder 6y ago

The other points are valid but... > They said they'll refuse to show up to meetings There's usually FAR TOO MANY MEETINGS. This is even more prevalent the more bad managers and engineers exist. Talking and assigning 'action items' is a good way to deflect attention from the fact that you have no clue what the heck you are doing. And bad engineers get shielded by the collective (as long as they can show some work done on their "action item", or indicate that they are blocked because of someone else). If you actually have good engineers, they will see the meetings for what they are and start pushing back.

TP4Cornholio 6y ago

The west coast sounds like a paradise for developers. Makes me wish I had moved...

appletrotter 6y ago
Why didn't you?
- TP4Cornholio 6y ago
  Family is east