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> The real question people are asking is why now? That is a very good question, from public information I can gather around Ant and Ma's career in general, it

> The real question people are asking is why now? That is a very good question, from public information I can gather around Ant and Ma's career in general, it seems he has strong backings from a wide range of powerful people due to financial relations as well as his reputation -- he is the Elon Musk of China and commands tremendous respect and pride among not just citizens but also top leadership. In fact, his backing is so strong that China's banking and financial regulators have not been successful at regulating Ant despite other fintech pioneers' blatant failings. However, this time he miscalculated how far he can push and the more conservative voices in the party have finally gained an upper hand.

justicezyx 6y ago
Ma was not Elon Musk of China. He was routinely ridiculed for his heavily romanized views on many topics. No one was surprised by his laughable showing in the chat with Elon at WAI 2019 where he behaves like a fraud. His backing from powerful hidden political figures are well acknowledged. Although that's not new, anyone who commands such power are backed that way, this pattern can trace back to Qin and Han dynasty.
- riffraff 6y ago
  sorry to ask, but what does "romanized views" mean?
  - sporkland 6y ago
    Romanticized maybe?
  - phs318u 6y ago
    I suspect it means “westernised”
  - justicezyx 6y ago
    Very poor writing of mine...
  - friendlybus 6y ago
    Some foriegn languages like japanese have a romanized version where traditional letters are replaced with latin script. In this case it's a metaphor for westernized.
- iknowstuff 6y ago
  Oh yeah that one was painful to watch. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHGd6LqAVzw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHGd6LqAVzw
  - blackrock 6y ago
    English is not Jack Ma’s primary language. However, English is Elon Musk’s primary language, and admittedly, he sucks at it. Jack Ma is competent in speaking Mandarin Chinese. So the equivalent would be to force Elon Musk to debate against Jack Ma in Mandarin.
    - justicezyx 6y ago
      That was not a debate, it was Jack Ma trying to bluff his way to the audience and Musk has to intentionally dumb down himself to not embarrass his fellow billionaire, and failed
- Aunche 6y ago
  If anything that makes him sound more like Elon Musk. Loved by some and ridiculed by others. Also, it's not as if Musk's alarmism about AI is any more grounded in truth than Ma's idealism.
  - justicezyx 6y ago
    Anyone have decent understanding of it technology don't like Ma. He was loved more like how Trump lovers love Trump.
  - edgyquant 6y ago
    No Elon is goofy but Ma proved last year in his sit down with Musk that he doesn’t even have Jr. engineer levels of knowledge. He only has wealth and a name because he has connection while Musk had to be competent to gain his wealth. I do not like Musk but the two aren’t compatible Ma is an actual fraud.
    - Aunche 6y ago
      I think the Elon hate is overblown, but everything he has to say about Covid is outright dangerous, let alone stupid. Ma isn't an engineer and doesn't pretend to be, which is why you can't take anything he says about AI seriously. I'm sure he's corrupt in the same way a lot of Chinese businessmen are corrupt. That said, you don't go from being a tour guide to building a e-commerce platform with arguably the most sophisticated supply chain the world solely by being a fraud.
      - edgyquant 6y ago
        He’s a fraud when taken as some sort of tech genius. I am in no way disregarding he is a skilled logistical and political tactician. It was just really hard to watch him act as such when in conversation with a man who is a skilled engineer. Also I agree the hate is overblown but I also don’t think Elon is the worlds savior so I tend to push back against that rhetoric.
- PKop 6y ago
  > He was routinely ridiculed for his heavily romanized views on many topics. Many would say the same about Musk
Consultant32452 6y ago
If Ma is doing anything worth a Billion dollars in China you can be sure he has the support and approval of the CCP.
- sangnoir 6y ago
  The CCP is not a hivemind. He probably previously had the support of some fraction of the leadership but overplayed his hand and left himself exposed to those more critical of him. In patronage politics, never write checks your patron can't cash.

justicezyx 6y ago

Ma was not Elon Musk of China. He was routinely ridiculed for his heavily romanized views on many topics. No one was surprised by his laughable showing in the chat with Elon at WAI 2019 where he behaves like a fraud. His backing from powerful hidden political figures are well acknowledged. Although that's not new, anyone who commands such power are backed that way, this pattern can trace back to Qin and Han dynasty.

riffraff 6y ago
sorry to ask, but what does "romanized views" mean?
- sporkland 6y ago
  Romanticized maybe?
- phs318u 6y ago
  I suspect it means “westernised”
- justicezyx 6y ago
  Very poor writing of mine...
- friendlybus 6y ago
  Some foriegn languages like japanese have a romanized version where traditional letters are replaced with latin script. In this case it's a metaphor for westernized.
iknowstuff 6y ago
Oh yeah that one was painful to watch. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHGd6LqAVzw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHGd6LqAVzw
- blackrock 6y ago
  English is not Jack Ma’s primary language. However, English is Elon Musk’s primary language, and admittedly, he sucks at it. Jack Ma is competent in speaking Mandarin Chinese. So the equivalent would be to force Elon Musk to debate against Jack Ma in Mandarin.
  - justicezyx 6y ago
    That was not a debate, it was Jack Ma trying to bluff his way to the audience and Musk has to intentionally dumb down himself to not embarrass his fellow billionaire, and failed
Aunche 6y ago
If anything that makes him sound more like Elon Musk. Loved by some and ridiculed by others. Also, it's not as if Musk's alarmism about AI is any more grounded in truth than Ma's idealism.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  Anyone have decent understanding of it technology don't like Ma. He was loved more like how Trump lovers love Trump.
- edgyquant 6y ago
  No Elon is goofy but Ma proved last year in his sit down with Musk that he doesn’t even have Jr. engineer levels of knowledge. He only has wealth and a name because he has connection while Musk had to be competent to gain his wealth. I do not like Musk but the two aren’t compatible Ma is an actual fraud.
  - Aunche 6y ago
    I think the Elon hate is overblown, but everything he has to say about Covid is outright dangerous, let alone stupid. Ma isn't an engineer and doesn't pretend to be, which is why you can't take anything he says about AI seriously. I'm sure he's corrupt in the same way a lot of Chinese businessmen are corrupt. That said, you don't go from being a tour guide to building a e-commerce platform with arguably the most sophisticated supply chain the world solely by being a fraud.
    - edgyquant 6y ago
      He’s a fraud when taken as some sort of tech genius. I am in no way disregarding he is a skilled logistical and political tactician. It was just really hard to watch him act as such when in conversation with a man who is a skilled engineer. Also I agree the hate is overblown but I also don’t think Elon is the worlds savior so I tend to push back against that rhetoric.
PKop 6y ago
> He was routinely ridiculed for his heavily romanized views on many topics. Many would say the same about Musk

Consultant32452 6y ago

If Ma is doing anything worth a Billion dollars in China you can be sure he has the support and approval of the CCP.

sangnoir 6y ago
The CCP is not a hivemind. He probably previously had the support of some fraction of the leadership but overplayed his hand and left himself exposed to those more critical of him. In patronage politics, never write checks your patron can't cash.