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I like the idea of captchouli as it plays on the weaknesses of ML in differentiating between similar images. However, I still think advances in AI will force us

by arbol 6y ago

I like the idea of captchouli as it plays on the weaknesses of ML in differentiating between similar images. However, I still think advances in AI will force us to go further and use philosophical/psychological based captchas instead of pattern matching.

Fnoord 6y ago
I wouldn't be able to solve the example captcha. I've liked a few anime. GITS, Death Note, I believe that's about it. I would need to search for the solution. Now, you may argue that is no problem for visitors of an anime board, but I believe its going to scare new visitors away. Due to this, websites would be less inclusive. My guess about the future path is as follows: your government ID allows you to authenticate to generate a keypair you can use online for services such as Google and Facebook. It would include things such as a nickname, and an e-mail address as a derived public/private keypair you are able to use, including a scope (domain). Then, only such authenticated logins get full access (they are not going to phase this in like a wrecking ball, it would be slowly). Its perhaps a tad dystopian, but it has its pros and cons, and websites like GAB will continue to exist on darknet.
- arbol 6y ago
  I had assumed in the anime captcha you were given an example of the character and told to identify all pictures of said character. Otherwise I couldn't do it. A centralised ID system is one solution for authentication online but it's far from ideal.
  - GoblinSlayer 6y ago
    No, it's a well known character.
    - arbol 6y ago
      That's probably a generous use of the term well known
      - GoblinSlayer 6y ago
        "Broadly known in narrow circles" to be precise.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    > A centralised ID system is one solution for authentication online but it's far from ideal. A much better system is a decentralized pseudonymous ID system where getting an ID is in some way expensive but still anonymous, e.g. proof of work equivalent to $5 in cloud CPU time. Then legit users can create an ID once and use it indefinitely, but also create as many as they like and replace them as often as they like for a relatively low price. Meanwhile spammers pay $5 for an ID that only lasts ten seconds before it gets banned and has all its messages retroactively deleted, so they go out of business.
    - arbol 6y ago
      Attaching monetary value is one method but you always disenfranchise some people with systems like this. Cory Doctorow explores reputation based identity in his book "down and out in the magic Kingdom" but it seems this also has downsides (tribalism, manipulation of rep). It's a tough nut to crack. It goes under the term proof of individuality in terms of Blockchain.
      - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        > Attaching monetary value is one method but you always disenfranchise some people with systems like this. This is always the claim but I don't really see it. Obviously if you put something on the internet then you disenfranchise anybody without a computer and an internet connection. But who is it that can afford a $50 device and a $10/month internet connection but not a one-time cost of $5 worth of CPU time?
        arbol 6y ago
        I guess CPU time is different to actually asking for money. But it would probably just skew so that CPU was incredibly cheap as spammers/bots mobilised to have as much CPU time on separate IPs as possible... Or something like that. There's always a way around incentive based methods.
        AnthonyMouse 6y ago

by arbol 6y ago

Fnoord 6y ago

I wouldn't be able to solve the example captcha. I've liked a few anime. GITS, Death Note, I believe that's about it. I would need to search for the solution. Now, you may argue that is no problem for visitors of an anime board, but I believe its going to scare new visitors away. Due to this, websites would be less inclusive. My guess about the future path is as follows: your government ID allows you to authenticate to generate a keypair you can use online for services such as Google and Facebook. It would include things such as a nickname, and an e-mail address as a derived public/private keypair you are able to use, including a scope (domain). Then, only such authenticated logins get full access (they are not going to phase this in like a wrecking ball, it would be slowly). Its perhaps a tad dystopian, but it has its pros and cons, and websites like GAB will continue to exist on darknet.

arbol 6y ago
I had assumed in the anime captcha you were given an example of the character and told to identify all pictures of said character. Otherwise I couldn't do it. A centralised ID system is one solution for authentication online but it's far from ideal.
- GoblinSlayer 6y ago
  No, it's a well known character.
  - arbol 6y ago
    That's probably a generous use of the term well known
    - GoblinSlayer 6y ago
      "Broadly known in narrow circles" to be precise.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  > A centralised ID system is one solution for authentication online but it's far from ideal. A much better system is a decentralized pseudonymous ID system where getting an ID is in some way expensive but still anonymous, e.g. proof of work equivalent to $5 in cloud CPU time. Then legit users can create an ID once and use it indefinitely, but also create as many as they like and replace them as often as they like for a relatively low price. Meanwhile spammers pay $5 for an ID that only lasts ten seconds before it gets banned and has all its messages retroactively deleted, so they go out of business.
  - arbol 6y ago
    Attaching monetary value is one method but you always disenfranchise some people with systems like this. Cory Doctorow explores reputation based identity in his book "down and out in the magic Kingdom" but it seems this also has downsides (tribalism, manipulation of rep). It's a tough nut to crack. It goes under the term proof of individuality in terms of Blockchain.
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      > Attaching monetary value is one method but you always disenfranchise some people with systems like this. This is always the claim but I don't really see it. Obviously if you put something on the internet then you disenfranchise anybody without a computer and an internet connection. But who is it that can afford a $50 device and a $10/month internet connection but not a one-time cost of $5 worth of CPU time?
      - arbol 6y ago
        I guess CPU time is different to actually asking for money. But it would probably just skew so that CPU was incredibly cheap as spammers/bots mobilised to have as much CPU time on separate IPs as possible... Or something like that. There's always a way around incentive based methods.
        AnthonyMouse 6y ago