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Good question, but to counter: we do not throw away everything German, but everything in the Nazi ideology, dont we? It is not that I say we shouldnt learn from

Good question, but to counter: we do not throw away everything German, but everything in the Nazi ideology, dont we? It is not that I say we shouldnt learn from the successors of the culture, but isnt this post saying we should learn from that culture itself? To me (bringing back in the German example) it sounds like (trying to transfer the example) 'learn how to get organized with nazi ideology'. Adressing your first point, I really think that human (including children) sacrifice is quite unique and not present in the cultures you mentioned.

watwut 6y ago
> we do not throw away everything German, but everything in the Nazi ideology, dont we? No, we did not. To large extend, people don't even know what Nazi ideology and goals actually were except that they killed most Jews. But first here, you would have to show they were overall like Nazi. > Adressing your first point, I really think that human (including children) sacrifice is quite unique and not present in the cultures you mentioned. Soldiers working for colonial Britain would cut kids hands if parents did not worked fast enough. Columbus did cut peoples hands too, I think that including children hands if locals did not produced as much as he wanted. He also took kids as sexual slaves for his men. Cortes behavior was not normal either. Hunting witches and torturing old people assumed is not generally normal either. American slavery routinely involved kids being sold away from parents before age of 10 .. and quite a lot of them died. None of it is exactly same as human sacrifice, but not much better either.
- poisonarena 6y ago
  do you have sources for any of that stuff regarding Columbus? I hear people say stuff like that about him but I have never seen any primary sources
  - belval 6y ago
    The Wikipedia article seem to give weight to actually cutting hands for not filling quota, but I guess you could argue that his "system" was not how he actually acted. "Columbus's forced labour system was described by his son Ferdinand: "In the Cibao, where the gold mines were, every person of fourteen years of age or upward was to pay a large hawk's bell of gold dust; all others were each to pay twenty-five pounds of cotton. Whenever an Indian delivered his tribute, he was to receive a brass or copper token which he must wear about his neck as proof that he had made his payment; any Indian found without such a token was to be punished." The monarchs, who suggested the tokens, called for a light punishment, but any Indian found without a copper token had their hands cut off, which was a likely death sentence.[118] Since there was no abundance of gold on the island, the natives had no chance of meeting Columbus' quota and thousands are reported to have committed suicide." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus
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watwut 6y ago

> we do not throw away everything German, but everything in the Nazi ideology, dont we? No, we did not. To large extend, people don't even know what Nazi ideology and goals actually were except that they killed most Jews. But first here, you would have to show they were overall like Nazi. > Adressing your first point, I really think that human (including children) sacrifice is quite unique and not present in the cultures you mentioned. Soldiers working for colonial Britain would cut kids hands if parents did not worked fast enough. Columbus did cut peoples hands too, I think that including children hands if locals did not produced as much as he wanted. He also took kids as sexual slaves for his men. Cortes behavior was not normal either. Hunting witches and torturing old people assumed is not generally normal either. American slavery routinely involved kids being sold away from parents before age of 10 .. and quite a lot of them died. None of it is exactly same as human sacrifice, but not much better either.

poisonarena 6y ago
do you have sources for any of that stuff regarding Columbus? I hear people say stuff like that about him but I have never seen any primary sources
- belval 6y ago
  The Wikipedia article seem to give weight to actually cutting hands for not filling quota, but I guess you could argue that his "system" was not how he actually acted. "Columbus's forced labour system was described by his son Ferdinand: "In the Cibao, where the gold mines were, every person of fourteen years of age or upward was to pay a large hawk's bell of gold dust; all others were each to pay twenty-five pounds of cotton. Whenever an Indian delivered his tribute, he was to receive a brass or copper token which he must wear about his neck as proof that he had made his payment; any Indian found without such a token was to be punished." The monarchs, who suggested the tokens, called for a light punishment, but any Indian found without a copper token had their hands cut off, which was a likely death sentence.[118] Since there was no abundance of gold on the island, the natives had no chance of meeting Columbus' quota and thousands are reported to have committed suicide." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

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